Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:15:57 This is a photo of women in Iran in 1971. Now Iranian women would be arrested, and possibly never seen again, if they had their hair uncovered and dressed this way. Never take women's rights for granted. Zealots who want to control women need to be stopped. Every. Time. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:44:25 @MeanwhileinCanada There are similar pictures of women in Afghanistan in the 70s (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:45:44 @MeanwhileinCanada looking at old pictures of life in Iran and Afghanistan in the 1960s and 1970s always make me feel sad |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:25:03 @gavinisdie @MeanwhileinCanada What I wonder, though, is whether women in Iran, Afghanistan etc. back in those days enjoyed these freedoms generally, or whether that was the preserve of the affluent, educated, professional upper-middle and upper classes in the major cities? |
Föderation DE Mo 04.11.2024 21:47:11 @marcas @gavinisdie @MeanwhileinCanada that doesn't really matter in this case, does it? The point is, that these women on this picture are not nowadays allowed to do what they did in the 70s. Even if it were only five women in the whole country who were dressing like this, they were free to do so. They would not be free to do so today. So I wonder, if I misunderstood your post? Or was it just a random thought, not really connected to the original post? |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:37:03 @theVedek @marcas @gavinisdie @MeanwhileinCanada YMMV, but personally I feel if the privileged few apply different standards to themselves than they do on the masses (and not just behind closed doors), it's even more wrong than otherwise, what ever the law. After all, they're not ready to follow it itself. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:58:09 @gavinisdie @MeanwhileinCanada in both cases the pictures are from a time when socialists were in power who were then overthrown by the US |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:19:13 @yogthos @MeanwhileinCanada the Shah was put in power by the US and UK |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:26:37 @gavinisdie @MeanwhileinCanada and his brutal regime led to the Islamic revolution and the Iran we have today |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:50:20 Another example of the fact that Islam is a deeply inhuman ideology and the greatest threat to all freedom-loving people |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:58:36 @TLisaB Yes, exactly. But it's not just Islam. It's religion in general, though I would agree with your assessment that Islam is the worst and most dangerous of the bunch. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:02:16 @dfs_comedy @TLisaB approx 1 bn moderate ppl of islamic faith might disagree with you. It's always the extremes. Free ppl should chose the faith thwzy want if human rights are respected. Nonetheless the Islamic Republic of Iran should cease to exist as well as the scum of Taliban. #axisofevil |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:13:54 @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB The fundamental problem really does lie in religion in general though. With *any* religion, there is always going to be a group that decides that their interpretation of things is more correct than other people's and that it is their sworn duty to force their specific beliefs on others. And that third group that is "harmless" typically enables them, sitting back and doing nothing to help or even participating in more subtle ways. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:55:23 @nazokiyoubinbou @dfs_comedy @TLisaB well said. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:12:25 @nazokiyoubinbou @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB This dynamic is not specific to religion, of course (see splits within modern ideologies). Nor is it true of every religious group. Labeling "religion" as "the problem" is just the same dynamic of identifying a false viewpoint that must be eliminated. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:15:05 @christinkallama @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB There is a key fundamental difference that is the reason I specify religion. While it is true that other, more secular things can also apply this, there is one key difference: other things can adapt. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:39:41 @nazokiyoubinbou @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB Well said, though I'd add that this doesn't apply to just (organised) religion. Much can be said on when imaginary communities are joined willingly, and when under threat of repercussions. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:47:30 @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy 1.000.000.000 people ... silently nodding their heads ...? Did you see the video of this brave woman in Iran yesterday? How many bystanders? No one went to help, no one even said something, they watched, giggeled even, when she was taken away and - most likely - killed. Same here in Germany - appr. 40 knife attacks every day by "refugees" seeking protection here - not a word from the "Muslim community" about it ... |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:54:54 @TLisaB @dfs_comedy I agree with you about the Iranian hero girl. 40 attacks here in DE is *sorry* bs. I accept free religion and the Islam, i'am not a fan of it. But no refugee blaming pls. Not helpful. And yes, #fuckiran. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 21:29:52 @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta The problem is not (as you say) most Muslims. But Islam *is* a problem because it is filled with awful and hateful teachings that *will* be taken to heart by some people. So the danger lurks directly in the religion itself. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:55:13 @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB approx 1 bn insane cultists who mutilate childrens genitalia. Religion is never ok. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:14:08 |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 01:50:49 @christinkallama Like I said: The problem is not Muslims. The problem is Islam itself as an ideology. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:29:08 @TLisaB @MeanwhileinCanada You are putting a religion and how fascists are using it in the same jar. The issue is the fascists, not the religion. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 01:51:17 @meduz No, the issue is the religion. Read the Qu'ran sometime. Or watch some videos from https://www.youtube.com/@FriendlyExmuslim |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:46:04 I dunno, we don’t have any Muslims on the Supreme Court in the US, just Christians, and they’re the greatest threat to freedom-loving people here. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 01:51:35 @ampersine "here" is the operative word. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 02:47:15 @TLisaB @MeanwhileinCanada I mean, Catholic nuns were (And presumably still are, albeit not as often forced into being) a thing [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nun ]. Muslims can, and have, looked like that here - mainly because the Catholics and Christians didn't have nearly as much control as they used to have. The U.S. Supreme Court seems like it's trying to change that though, apparently? |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:55:24 @MeanwhileinCanada |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:58:04 @GatekeepKen oh boy, waited for some anti-Israel sock-puppet to chime in. 🙄 |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:15:25 (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 21:30:58 @GatekeepKen I do believe it's Islam and Christianity that specify the death penalty for witchcraft... nothing to do with Israel. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:28:15 @GatekeepKen @MeanwhileinCanada I don't support anything, but don't get confused state, culture, and religion from the Israelites or especially Jews from abroad |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 03:43:56 @epistomai @GatekeepKen @MeanwhileinCanada The issue is the apparent desire of Netanyahu and those who blindly follow him in his attempt to exterminate Palestinians who wanted to live a peaceful life in Gaza or any bystanders who happened to be nearby, not against Israel or Jewish people anywhere. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 03:52:07 @bouriquet @MeanwhileinCanada which Palestinians? he expanded to half Arabic peninsula and going for Iran now! If he had US support, he would try to wipe out every arab in the area. Not every Jew, Israeli, or American wants that, fortunately |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:17:08 @MeanwhileinCanada An old article about how Iraq was FAR ahead of the U.S. in women's rights |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:19:27 @MeanwhileinCanada as an American I like to point out, our shitty government is more responsible for the fall of the up and coming middle east. Islam was just a really convenient tool for population control and radicalization that backfired on our government and the younger generations have been taking the brunt of that fuckup. Being sent twice to go in and try to clean up Bush Sr and Reagan's fuckery of the area. (Gulf war and war on terror). FeelsBadman |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:21:30 THE perfect example |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:30:57 @MeanwhileinCanada ALT text: a photograph of five Iranian women in 1971, wearing western clothes of the era: short skirts, earth tones, no head scarves. |
Bot | Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:42:14 Islam treats their women as Slaves to do whatever they wish with them |
Föderation FR Mo 04.11.2024 20:13:55 @Arqtec @MeanwhileinCanada The Bible is as violent and threatening as the Kuran. Read the Old Testament about punishing the non worshippers, gays, cheating women, etc it is bigotry 101. |
Bot | Föderation FR Di 05.11.2024 01:16:05 @pier344 |
Bot | Föderation FR Di 05.11.2024 01:23:51 @pier344 @MeanwhileinCanada |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:43:04 @MeanwhileinCanada All true. Equally true is the UK and USA interfered, at the behest of BP, to get the Shah overthrown. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:12:42 @WilliamNB @MeanwhileinCanada You might want to brush up on your history there. US/UK did not overthrow the shah, that is ridiculous. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:23:33 @sjuvonen @WilliamNB @MeanwhileinCanada 1953 Coup d’Etat Revolution. The Shah was installed, the elected government was overthrown by who? Prior versions mentioned a “Contra Affair «Revolution»”, this was false. It was about sale of arms from the Reagan admin and happened between 81 and 87. I goofed here. It was the evening. Sorry. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:29:10 @canleaf @sjuvonen @WilliamNB @MeanwhileinCanada wasn't the Iran Contra affair in the 1980s? |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:43:56 @gavinisdie @sjuvonen @WilliamNB @MeanwhileinCanada ‘53: Mossandegh government was couped out of office and the Shah was installed over oil. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:44:22 @canleaf @WilliamNB @MeanwhileinCanada “Iran Contra Revolution”??? Please people read history. 1953 coup supported by BP/UK/US installs autocratic Shah regime. 1978-9 islamic revolution removes shah, installs theocracy. 1985-87 Iran Contra affair. The Reagan administration illegally sells arms to Iran to fund their illegal war against Sandinistas in Nicaragua. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 21:03:58 @sjuvonen @WilliamNB @MeanwhileinCanada see further comments. I read and researched. I will redact my statement. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:51:09 @WilliamNB |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:47:44 @MeanwhileinCanada Bastards… |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:49:59 @MeanwhileinCanada I think the question is if women are people or property. It seems to me that conservative religious regimes consider women to be an exotic form of livestock. Natalist propaganda reminds me of Ceaucescu who treated orphans as a cash crop. Margaret Atwood has done a good job of presenting this trend in her novels. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:56:47 Iran, from 1953 to 1979, was ruled by a brutal despot, the Shah. During his reign Iran had secret police, the SAVAK, who would jail people or outright murder them for voicing dissent. He lavished himself in luxury, especially in 1967, when he crowned himself Shāhanshāh, literally "King of Kings," — because being King wasn't enough. The reason his reign of terror holds such a propagandistic place in western media is because he was a useful puppet to the British and the US. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 19:59:35 @MeanwhileinCanada I thought this was a photo of US 2024, just before Trump started having them arrested. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:13:20 @MeanwhileinCanada And that was Iraq before the American invasion. :( |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:41:36 @CStamp @MeanwhileinCanada and before the Russian one before that. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:19:58 @MeanwhileinCanada Also: Do not take gay and trans rights for granted in Canada. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:52:06 @MeanwhileinCanada you need to read a little more Iranian history and especially the outcomes of Western interference and coups. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 21:05:44 Afganistan 1970s. As of this week, women aren't even allowed to talk to each other. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 03:22:29 @maya_b And 20 years in Afghanistan did nothing. The West pulled out, and the Taliban came back worse than ever. @MeanwhileinCanada |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 21:21:14 @MeanwhileinCanada not even "would be", it happened literally yesterday |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:06:38 @MeanwhileinCanada not included in this picture: the Shah’s secret police, or his many political prisoners. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:12:49 @MeanwhileinCanada a must read #book by #author Marjan Kamali “the lion women of Tehran” |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:26:31 @MeanwhileinCanada It's not like that anymore because of a US coup that overthrew their secular democratically elected government. |
Föderation · Mo 04.11.2024 22:29:39 @B_Whitewind@regenerate.social @MeanwhileinCanada@ohai.social |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:37:27 This is from Tehran. It's upsetting that people keep posting this as if the whole country was like that. Of course, today with the compulsory hijab it's not permitted, but posting such images create a false picture of how Iran was before Khomeini |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:37:29 @MeanwhileinCanada Like in Afghanistan before Taliban. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:47:05 @MeanwhileinCanada Can you explain to me what you mean by 'Must be stopped'? Are you advocating an illegal war with Iran, like the west did with Iraq? I'm curious. |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:00:23 religion is a mental disease ... |
Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:33:00 @MeanwhileinCanada Religous zealots are the worst. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 00:04:25 @MeanwhileinCanada I spoke with an Iranian born woman today who was fighting some shenanigans with her vote here. She won but wanted to share. This is exactly what she was afraid of happening in the United States. Losing what Iranian women lost. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 00:37:41 @MeanwhileinCanada Doubly ironic, given that the US and Britain helped to overthrow Iran’s democratically-elected government in 1953, which eventually led to the Iranian Revolution in 1979 that turned Iran into the Islamic theocracy it is today. #Blowback, bіtches! |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 00:49:31 |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 01:23:23 @MeanwhileinCanada Bear in mind that womens' rights encompass so much more than clothing. Iran under the Shah was an absolute dictatorship - sorry, "monarchy" - and the secret police, SAVAK, would routinely imprison, torture, and kill people who disagreed with the regime too vocally. When the theocrats took over in 1979, they reused to facilities and rehired the staff. Let's not romanticize the Shah's autocracy, which was installed by US/UK interests to protect its oil revenues. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 01:31:07 @klausfiend @MeanwhileinCanada The SAVAK became SAVAMA/VEVAK. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 01:32:57 @MeanwhileinCanada -- Probably there is a link between that picture and the hundreds of Iranian drones killing civilians in Ukraine every night ? The same way of thinking. |
Föderation · Di 05.11.2024 02:32:29 @MeanwhileinCanada@ohai.social What happened in Iran breaks my heart. I'd love to be able to visit Iran in the early 70's. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 02:53:44 I remember! It scared me. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 03:27:32 @MeanwhileinCanada That is from Afghanistan in the seventries, when the Communist Party ruled there. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 03:27:55 @MeanwhileinCanada I'd worry about Canada if I were you. |
Föderation EN Di 05.11.2024 03:44:11 @MeanwhileinCanada In 1953 the US overthrew Iran’s last democratic leader, Mohammad Mosaddeq, who had led the movement to nationalize the British-controlled Iranian oil industry. The coup transformed Iran’s constitutional monarchy, under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, into a brutal royal dictatorship that was toppled in a popular revolution in 1979. The Iranian clergy would never have come to rule Iran if the US had not violated its sovereignty, as it has done all over the world. |