Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:05:04 Surely this new video won't make me seem like a crank. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:06:17 @TechConnectify Oooo I'm excited for this one. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:07:04 @TechConnectify no algorithm told me to watch this so am I even allowed to? |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:10:34 @chawkins @TechConnectify lemme just fire up an algorithm for your feed then: https://www.random.org/coins/?num=1&cur=40-antique.antonius-pius Results say: heads, go for it (Medien: 1) |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:11:07 @TechConnectify Looking forward to watching this with my coffee tomorrow! Also sorry to see you’re spending a lot more time on Bluesky than here, but I get it and appreciate you’re still cross posting your content |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:15:25 @wonkothesane I'll be real with you: this platform needs both better tools for those with large accounts and it needs a culture which isn't quite so trigger-happy to push popular accounts off the platform. There are frictions here which are very hard to understand for the majority of its users. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:16:49 @TechConnectify Yea, I agree with you. The work is being done, but painfully slow. Hopefully it’ll be ready when/if Bluesky enshittifies |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:50:42 Just went to a bluesky "tweet". Couldn't see it because it requires you to have an account on BS. How does anyone push accounts off a federated system? |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:54:43 @number6 Random hostile behavior on other people's posts is one way Fediverse drives people away. Trying to push one's own norms as inviolate rules onto others is another. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:51:50 @TechConnectify @wonkothesane I also got complaints from a regional server who said every post of mine got reported for no reason so they limited my account. I moved to the big one in hopes they have decent policies, but I don't post much here. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:53:01 @TechConnectify @wonkothesane I've heard that too. There is something super personal about the interface here. The flip side is I know I see your posts every week. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:16:31 @TechConnectify @wonkothesane just saw a new brilliant youtube that argues that the friction (work to put in) is good and necessary: https://youtu.be/QEJpZjg8GuA |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:40:28 @pol_9000 You, uh, might want to look a little farther up this thread. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:45:39 @TechConnectify @pol_9000 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 01:44:59 @TechConnectify @pol_9000 I think Pol was being snarky. In some ways because Mastodon is harder to use that makes it a better platform. That said, Mastodon is very much a labor of love. You had said computing is a solved problem, yet here is a very real problem that needs to be addressed: Making a usable decentralized social media platform! There's no large money interests developing it, and that's one of the reasons why it is difficult to use. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:28:36 Little confused when you say culture that isn't trigger happy to push big creators off the platform. So from my perspective, I have shared your video in two places and star'd the post. I don't have optics on any aggressive actions towards you, but I'm also not looking THAT hard. In what ways are people trying to push you off? |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:49:16 @BlueBee I think if you go to his posts he explains what the experience has been on Mastodon: https://mas.to/@TechConnectify/112995453946857071 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 20:54:24 Ah, I didn't realize there was more that he had spoken about. That is one thing (of many) I am frustrated by with social media. The sort of disjointed nature of it. He had made the arguments in the past, but it wasn't in THAT post. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:18:56 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:31:20 I'm not sure what else can be done except begin regulating posts, but a central regulator is obviously bad. Too much power in too few hands. I think we should probably have our own review structure of people kind of like steam does for games. But you get to say who's reviews you trust and you ignore everyone else's. Where you and me and other people can say if we trust someone or not and then if you trust them their opinion of people affects the trust levels of others. And then allow people to be sortable by your personal trust levels for them. I don't know if I'm explaining that well, but I don't want to spend too much time on it right now. Hopefully it gives the jist of the idea. If someone is a troll, I don't want to see them. But I don't trust a giant corporation to tell me who is and isn't a troll. YouTube surfaced Jordan Peterson to me and that man is an idiot. So much of the pain people feel reading comments would be alleviated if we had a bit more proof required before allowing people to take up air time. I'm not saying turn people off, but label them differently, trolls shouldn't show up the same as someone who will engage with you with care. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:32:09 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:36:46 I really only trust who I trust. If you say sentiment analysis I'm now trusting the software and the writer of the software. I would prefer people's opinions, and especially those who I trust. Just allow me to say if I trust people or not and allow others to subscribe to that trust or not. And allow me on the fly to disagree with someone else's trust. Someone shows up as gold trust with a flurry of bad takes. Let me override and say I don't need to hear them anymore. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:38:57 |
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Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:46:12 This isn't context collapse lol. And the reason why I'm talking about video games is because video games are less complex to review than people, and if you can't write a program that can review them, then you can't write a program that can review people. On how this relates to his issue, he is saying that the problem is he gets 1 to 1 good to bad takes. A big part of this is that he has no method of sorting these takes. They are all viewed equally. So no matter if it's a well respected scientist or a troll, they all look the same. Some method of determining trust is required, but if you give this to a single entity like with Blue sky it's too much power for an individual entity to have. But it still needs to be solved as the original poster has stated. We have a giant pool of very capable reviewers who could help the larger creators sort through people and find who they should probably be listening to, but they lack the levers to provide that service. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:52:45 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 20:32:08 @BlueBee Not sure if you are aware, but the “show me the proof…” response is typically viewed as a “reply guy” approach and is a form of sealioning https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning I just started following TC and have seen his posts about people giving him grief on Mastodon. It may be worth scrolling back through his feed a bit before asking him to do the work to prove his experience to you |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 20:52:52 Wow, look at the difference between your reply and the guys above you. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 20:57:51 @BlueBee The person sending his own video? Yeah |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 21:01:34 (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 21:02:06 @BlueBee Oh I didn’t see that one |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 21:04:33 But I will say I could have looked a bit harder. The issue was his ideas are broken up across many posts. In some ways that is also a critique of Mastodon. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:34:45 @TechConnectify @wonkothesane Can you expand a bit more on the "trigger-happy to push people off the platform" bit? I'm curious as to what pattern you have seen. |
Föderation · Sa 22.02.2025 20:31:01 @TechConnectify I'm in the middle of your 'tube video. Great observations. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 21:15:07 @TechConnectify @wonkothesane Alright, ramble warning. TL;DR you're right and more people on here should be doing something about it. I honestly think that more people should be lighting a fire under Mastodon for this. There are plenty of improvements that have been proposed to it going back years but a lot of them have been ignored under the "benevolent dictator for life" model, which Mastodon is only now preparing to move on from. It's resulted in it falling far behind and letting Bluesky run laps around it effortlessly. That and there really needs to be more UX people in FOSS. As for the culture, someone higher up really needs to start taking a harder stance against the constant scolding that some people do. Yelling at someone to content-warn a post under something that the original poster didn't even know was a problem or condescendingly saying that someone should switch to Linux for the apparent crime of using Windows, even for reasons outside of their control (e.g. not everything works under WINE or a VM), is a huge issue that somehow hasn't been addressed. And, well, there's the everything else about decentralized, federated networks that result in a very awkward experience for those coming from centralized platforms, but Mastodon seems to be working on that so I can at least give them that. Maybe the "it's scraping our posts, white techbro" sect can chill at least a little bit once FASPs get implemented. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 21:34:11 @TechConnectify what tools are you missing here? |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 01:02:37 Today I noticed that @TechConnectify has an account here in addition to #BlueSky and I was just about to ask how the two platforms compared for that sort of usage. And then I saw that my question had already been answered 🙂 I think this is a very useful bit of feedback for #fediverse / #mastodon from exactly the sort of content creator that a lot of you want to see coming to this platform. I would only add one other thought, I'm suspecting the character count limits between interfaces to the two platforms might also be significant to TC. Otherwise I had been wondering about whether it's better to have accounts on both platforms or just to use those gateway services between the two. (Also, I don't know, maybe I should be doing a quote post with this, because it does seem to break the stream of conversation, but I don't know) |
Föderation · So 23.02.2025 05:50:15 @TechConnectify@mas.to we don't push popular creators off the platform, we just hold them to the same expectations as everyone else. Things like alt text is very important here and there are cultural nuances that need to be learned. Guess what though, I learned them just fine by listening and changing my behavior to accommodate that. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:26:31 @TechConnectify so the first time you said this, I had a knee-jerk reaction to it. But then I thought about it, and damn it if ya an't right about it. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:11:34 @TechConnectify Our cup runneth over with technology connections!!!! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:16:56 @TechConnectify cannot wait that the algorithm brings it for me to see |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:17:12 @TechConnectify r.i.p. to your mentions, and I can't wait to see the changes from early access! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:19:17 @TechConnectify ooh, this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately, so I'm excited to watch this |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:19:43 @TechConnectify watching now … |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:20:30 @TechConnectify vital take |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:23:11 @TechConnectify not more than usual 🙃 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:23:32 @TechConnectify I'd argue that the same desires that lead to "algorithmic complacency" as you've called it, are those that made TV feel so much different when you could just turn on the tube, switch to some station, and watch whatever was on, very little choice or effort required. There's certainly a part of me that misses that. Same with tuning into a radio station and hearing new music. There is an aspect of discovery, like browsing a thrift store and finding what you did not expect. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:24:00 @TechConnectify "especially right now" hit hard |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:24:18 @TechConnectify i was just watching it. I agree that lots of people dont use their brains to look things up anymore. I recently started to hate YouTube recommeding things for me especially after watching just 1 thing that might be slightly related to something i might have watched. I hate the tracking and recommendations. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:28:41 @TechConnectify |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:31:27 @TechConnectify One man's crank is another man's genius. 🙃 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:31:40 @TechConnectify watching it right now, nitpicking me would note that there was an Internet before the WWW. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:51:17 @simon @TechConnectify That's coming from someone who has more alts on instances that use Sharkey instead. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:35:48 @TechConnectify Thanks, now I'm unhappy about people relying on a large corporation to tell them where to go and what to think. Damn influencers. On a serious note: thanks for highlighting this, especially in the current world situation. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:35:54 @TechConnectify The Second Eternal September came in 2007 with the launch of the iPhone. The internet changed from a tool you chose to use to an 'app' that was a part of your cool iPhone experience. I feel your pain and it drives me crazy. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:35:59 @TechConnectify subscriptions list is the only way I use YT for years |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:41:47 @TechConnectify Not crankish at all |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:41:58 @TechConnectify dw, it's too late for that 💚 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:42:06 @TechConnectify i got this recommended to me so now I’m going to give you my totally misinformed opinion based on a drive-by impression of the point you’re trying to make and deliberately interpret things in the most unfavorable way possible while pretending my misinterpretation is the only one any reasonable person would come to. You’re welcome! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:07:22 @marlies @TechConnectify I’m failing to recognize that your post was written ironically and so now I’m going to explain to you, very poorly and in a manner that makes it clear I’m silently judging you, the basic concepts of the exact topic you are demonstrably already well-versed in! Hope that helps!!! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:44:24 @TechConnectify very tempted to GIF the "nuance? on the internet? THAT'S ILLEGAL" bit |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:46:38 @TechConnectify I think this is a large reason of why some people don't "like" federated SM as much. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:47:03 @TechConnectify I'll watch it later with my wife, thank you |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:50:04 @TechConnectify Could've put up with you a lot longer. Thank you for making this video! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:50:16 @TechConnectify "--that this is no doubt going to be the most crochety, Old Man Yells At Cloud video I've ever released, and I won't hide from that." I, like many others, am here exactly for this energy. Just because a thing is new doesn't mean it's automatically good! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:51:44 @TechConnectify While watching this video, the art accompanying the song for the release of OpenBSD 4.6 came to my mind. Thought I'd share this for laughs and/or dismay. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#46 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:51:48 @TechConnectify No more a crank than the whole lot of us who are kinda fed up with everything man. Thanks for the videos. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:52:03 @TechConnectify I’m glad you have tackled this topic! My mom was visiting recently and I started to suspect that she was exercising essentially no control over what her phone showed her |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:55:21 @TechConnectify Found out about your account in here based on this video. Immediately started following you 👍 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 02:24:03 @warriormaster @TechConnectify Likewise! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:56:35 @TechConnectify "this is no doubt going to be the most crotchety, old-man-yells-at-cloud video I've ever released" Okay just *tell* me to have high expectations why dontcha! (Thanks) |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:57:02 @TechConnectify 727 is the new 302 view |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:58:23 damn, that might be the most emotional/angry I've ever seen you in a video (and fully justified) great video, thank you for saying so many important things that really can't be said often enough right now |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:01:22 @TechConnectify Holy shit... I'm so glad, I don't feel alone in this, even though I wasn't really able to put my finger on it. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:01:38 @TechConnectify it's so ironic that despite usually opening tmy subscription feed first, this particular video I clicked on from youtube's home page :S |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:02:13 @TechConnectify let me blow your mind instead of just feeding it 😘😳 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:04:05 @TechConnectify thank you for making this video. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:05:31 @TechConnectify thanks for the video today! finally got around to creating a mastodon account. keep up the good work! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 23:04:00 Welcome @Uniniformed! Hopefully you enjoy and stick around :) |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 07:04:35 @Uniniformed hi! welcome and good luck. I wrote up some getting-started tips that people tell me they find useful, so maybe you will too? It's here: https://mastodon.murkworks.net/@moira/113484112202118788 (There are more pinned to my profile but this is the big one really.) |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:06:36 @TechConnectify The % of views from the subscription tab was an eye-opener. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:08:24 @TechConnectify Watched this video through #invidious because #YouTube managed to cripple #FreeTube ( a Free / #libre youtube app which does not have recommendation algorithm ) but the only live invidious instance was able to circumvent the issue and now it sort of works. If Technology Connections will start a #PeerTube I would be so happy. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:16:20 @blenderdumbass @TechConnectify |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:09:00 @TechConnectify Thank you for uploading this! I feel so much more comfortable making the tools I use do what I want them to and not those things trying to get me to do what someone else wants. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:13:21 @TechConnectify I am incredibly concerned about the developments in society over the last 15 years or so since algorithmic curation of content has become widespread. This can lead to all kinds of dangerous developments, including the rise of very questionable figures into positions of power because they are not ashamed to exploit the algorithms to further their own agenda. Thank you very much for making this video. I'm sure I'll watch it again, probably many more times. But I think now I have to get away from the screen and go outside to get some fresh air. As important this is to think about, it's also really heavy and depressing. All the best to you! |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 02:36:13 @82mhz You tube keeps reminding me my watch history is off. Uh, yeah. On purpose. @TechConnectify |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:14:25 @TechConnectify after watching: this is one of the main reasons I try to have as little accounts as possible. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 05:55:43 @leberschnitzel @TechConnectify I rarely log in for YouTube. Clear cookies and just build a quick little algorithm by searching for the channels I know. It works fairly well. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 10:28:24 @XenoDangerEvil yeah, there are easier ways to do what I do, but self hosting and trying out things is also my hobby |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:22:49 @TechConnectify Me over here feeling morally superior on Mastodon and knowing I use the YouTube subscription feed |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:22:56 @TechConnectify I love this, thank you for speaking about it. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:27:40 @TechConnectify Hapy to see you here :) |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:35:53 @TechConnectify My problem with YouTube's subscriptions page is that it appears to have no control over marking whether you are done with something or want to leave it in the list for later (if it's something you need to be in the mood for). RSS readers can do this easily, and I use that to 'triage' my lists all the time. YouTube's way of displaying whether things have new content seems really arbitrary and unhelpful. But that's probably in the bit you cut for time. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:54:28 @InsertUser @TechConnectify I believe you can still get RSS from youtube channels! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:36:08 @TechConnectify Excellent video! You’re one of the best writers on YouTube to be able to navigate such a complex topic in such a clear way. Thanks for all your work! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:36:38 @TechConnectify I like the premise, and I think this is why some older people don't understand new software interfaces. We designed them to be like physical interfaces before and now the more "intuitive" interface designs from younger coders who grew up without physical interfaces. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:36:47 @TechConnectify Is this video available in another platform? Thanks. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:37:34 With a one minute timer (and no specialized knowledge), I managed to get as far as the model 15, knew I was in the right ballpark because it had the same footprint but a different faceplate, but I unpaused the video to check if you were going to provide the answer to the "quiz" before allotting any more time to that rabbit hole (which you did). And after listening to that preface, I had a feeling that you were going to express an opinion that I agreed with (which is one of the reasons I'm on this platform). > I don't talk about things I don't understand. I cannot count how many people have gotten upset at me for saying I don't have an opinion on something. If I don't possess enough knowledge about something to have an *informed* opinion on something, I don't have an opinion on it at all. So many people in this "New World" have difficulty understanding that. > Surely this new video won't make me seem like a crank. Not here, I don't think. If anything you might be preaching to the choir, but I certainly forgive you. If nothing else, I'm going to be able to use the posted opinions on this thread as a vetting tool to further expand my follow list. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:40:31 @TechConnectify please please join Nebula :) |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 23:38:57 @jarek @TechConnectify IIRC, Nebula is still invite-only, so he may not have the opportunity. Would be another creator for me to follow over there, tho, which would be nice. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 08:39:11 @BoydStephenSmithJr @TechConnectify Technology Connections fits so well with Nebula. I would be surprised if they didn't love him from day one. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:43:33 @TechConnectify thank you for doing this tedious work!! <3 |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:48:55 @TechConnectify I fully agree with all said in this video. But I would say many people here feel the same. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:50:02 Oh, brother, your video gets into exactly my gripes with today's internet, apps and AI, saying more in half an hour than I could explain in 4 hours. Day-by-day, the Internet is becoming less about surfing it or sailing it, but more like a lazy river where people simply lie back and are taken by the current, being told what to be interested in. It's why I'm on #Mastodon to begin with. And thanks for the Canada shout-out against these BS annexation threats. |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:51:50 @TechConnectify I'll be one more voice thanking you for continuing to be here, even if not as actively, despite the FediKaren HOA. I am clearly naïve because I thought that the subscription view would be the most popular path to watching your videos. Not all or even most videos, but at least yours! |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:55:37 @TechConnectify Are your videos available anywhere else than YouTube? Have you looked into PeerTube? |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:56:04 @TechConnectify nice to see the callout to the YouTube subscription feed. If you turn your watch history off on YouTube, it'll completely disable the home algorithmic feed. With a few unofficial mods you can nuke shorts too! (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 23:40:38 @alphapuggle @TechConnectify I use https://github.com/doma-itachi/Youtube-shorts-block but I'm sure it's not the only way to avoid shorts on your subscribe page. |