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Wait till you find out what that firmware is sending back home to Samsung's ACR servers.
(Hint: It's screenshots.)

@TwoClownsEating That's appalling. Poisoning their brand I'd assume; everyone will be looking for another TV make next time.

@TwoClownsEating Protip: What you want isn't a television, it's something called a commercial display. They won't have this sort of user hostile shit baked into them because otherwise they'd sell zero of them, because they'd be useless for their intended purpose.

Get yourself a dumb screen and leave the smarts outside it.

@TwoClownsEating the samsung engineer slashing a customers tv screen was my warning about them

@TwoClownsEating Maybe take a look at PiHole on a raspberry pi? I’m running it on a £15 pi zero and I’ve got it to block the adverts on ITVX, ch4 and my5. Maybe you could add the Samsung domains to its blocklist?

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Samsung TVs notoriously suck donkey

@TwoClownsEating Hmm NEC has a series of displays that can use the Raspberry Pi computer module. Opensource media? https://www.sharpnecdisplays.eu/p/eeme/en/searchresults.xhtml?query=Raspberry+Pi+Compute

@TwoClownsEating that is beyobd fucked!

that never again part is true for me now too. no ads means no samsung.

@TwoClownsEating did see this coming years ago. Never connected my TV to the internet and only use it as a display for my Apple TV.

@TwoClownsEating Fucking hell. We have a Samsung smart TV. So this is in our future. 😒

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Regularly my Samsung S22 Android phone demands I update some 'agreement' without any details. Cycling the phone power removes it.

My hearing aid control app tries the same nonsense.

Has Legal never explained 'informed consent?'

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The question is:
Do you use some function from the internet? Streaming?

Otherwise just have it offline ... or block in the Router the connection from that device to the Internet (so you can still use your NAS).

You can also try to filter the Internet-Data trough some ad-blocking device, eg. "Pi Hole" ... a mini-computer (around 30-40€) ... which blocking specific downloads or connections, for example to ad-servers.

@TwoClownsEating get a Raspberry Pi, and just use your smart TV as a monitor connected via hdmi. That way you Raspberry Pi accesses the internet and your TV cannot. (And if someone can show me this is approach is sill not secure, I want to know).

@TwoClownsEating Dark Pattern into unsolicited advertising is a helluva wombo combo

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I bought a new "smart" TV because other TVs aren't available anymore. It has a network port which stays in virginity. My mom want's to watch Netflix, which would be possible with the TV alone, but I installed a FireTV Stick in a separate VLAN and DNSBL. This enshittificated TVs and the FireTV Stick may not be the best solution but it's the best I can get without much advertising.

The TV shows nice landscape pictures when no program is on, but I think if I would update it (which can't be done without network) it would go the same route some day.

@TwoClownsEating I haven't had a television in a long while, but from what I hear, it's all of them, not just Samsung.

@TwoClownsEating I refuse to ever connect a tv to the internet. It’s just a monitor in my home. I use Apple TV and a universal disc player.

@TwoClownsEating Do you run PiHole on your network? If so you should be able to see the requests and block.

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Can we ask #brother to make tv's??

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I wonder how long before there's an underground television firmware community
@avghelper

@TwoClownsEating @frameworkcomputer TV coming soon?

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Would it do those things if you disconnected it from the internet?

Of course, you can't do that if you're also using it as a media device...

@TwoClownsEating Oh, no🤦‍♀️

@TwoClownsEating What happens if you block its access to wifi?

@TwoClownsEating I blocked my Samsung TV from WiFi and replaced it with an Amazon FireTV + Raspberry PiHole to block Amazon ads

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> Samsung just installed a digital billboard in my home by stealth

One of the reasons Right to Repair has become such a battle is that it would give you full ownership of devices like that telescreen. With full freedom to replace the OS, with one that doesn't spy on you for corporations and feed you commercial propaganda.

Honestly, how could advanced technological civilisation survive if we all actually owned the stuff we paid for?!? : P

#RightToRepair

@WeirdWriter

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The ITVx app on my Roku box started displaying ads when you pause playback for more than a few seconds. Seems to be an unwelcome trend.

@TwoClownsEating Amazon does this on all of their devices, but I think you can pay more to avoid it. Also gross, but better than extracting that attention later without consent. It should be illegal, but I don't have much hope of anyone in government ever standing up to the surveillance capitalists.

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A lackluster experience with a Samsung smartphone about 10 years ago left me with a deep distrust of them and they automatically go to the bottom of any list of things that I might buy.

At that point it was an inability to uninstall some of their apps. An annoyance but I knew it bode ill. Every time their name has come up since they appear to have gotten worse.

This policy continues to serve me well.

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Amazon Fire...SAME!

@TwoClownsEating get a cheap Raspberry Pi (Zero is great) and setup a Pi-Hole on your home network to stop the ads.

https://pi-hole.net

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Is it a sin to lie to your appliances?

I bought an older ebook and when I tried to sign in it put me in a loop that they called the out of box experience. I kept bugging support but they kept telling me this perfectly good ebook that still worked was out of support so I should throw it away.

This annoyed me and I finally annoyed myself into some real tech support and they told me how to start the system and skip the out of box experience.

I'm not impressed.

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Is it a sin to lie to your appliances part 2?

I bought a smart TV once so I started watching Ted Talks, Discovery, Nova, and The History Channel.

I didn't want my TV to think I was stupid.

@TwoClownsEating does it work as a dumb tv if you disconnect it from the internet? A separate media box like apple tv is a better experience anyway. (Nvidia shield is my favorite if one can uninstall android tv setup updates to kill ads)

@TwoClownsEating Every time this shit happens I am very happy I never gave my TV the WiFi password.

Medien: 1

@TwoClownsEating Praying for a long and happy life for our Bravia bought in 2008BE (Before Ensh1ttification) 😆
#analogue #Righttorepair #righttoprivacy

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That sucks.

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Go to the thrift store and buy an old dumb tv. I got a used Sumsung for cheap and don't have that issue. 😉

@TwoClownsEating Love the people suggesting getting cheap dumb TV's.

To get something high quality with rich accurate colours, bright brights, dark darks, you need the expensive smart TV's. Can't get the good quality displays without smarts.

LG was heading down a similar path with their TV's, but it was just advertising in the menus and reporting back what people were watching (even from third party devices). That's why I took my LG C1 off my wifi.

I've watched everything exclusively through an AppleTV for years. They don't report back and sell-on that reported back and spied data.

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My fucking vacuum cleaner just did something similar. Half a mind to try returning it, but there isn't a benign smart vacuum as best as I can tell.

@TwoClownsEating I deliberately bought a dumb TV about ten years ago. Given how often we switch it in, it's probably got another 50 years of life. I was put off by the speech recognition spy features of smart TVs.

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I have a whole subnet that isn't allowed to talk to the internet, ever, under any circumstances, and I hate this sort of shit.

@TwoClownsEating yep - Samsung on my permanent “will not buy” list!

@TwoClownsEating They're all like that. It's maddening. I bought a "smart" TV and hooked up my old external Roku to it to avoid all that shit. It's a dark time for TVs. They're "cheap" but subsidized by ads.

Also, am I the only one who shudders in fear when corporate tech says it wants to "upgrade"? Seems like it's just a Greek Horse. (The Trojans were the victims. It's not their horse, I'm just saying...)

@TwoClownsEating Real Samsung moment, here 🔥

@TwoClownsEating my TV is 15 years old and has a big crack on the screen, but yours sounds way worse than mine. I’ll be keeping mine for a little longer.

@TwoClownsEating My solution to this is using an Nvidia shield as the 'TV'. They can be had secondhand for not too much, and the earlier versions are fine since the hardware has not been updated massively. The smart TV is just used as a screen, and never gets plugged in to network or wifi access. If you have a TV with HDMI-CEC you can even control the whole thing with your TV's standard remote. No need for additional remotes.

@TwoClownsEating What do you mean by "pause TV"?

Do you pause in specific streaming app you have launched, or you freeze live TV broadcast (DVB or analog)?

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That sucks. I'm lucky my TV isn't smart. I've learned never to update firmware on most devices until you have to.

@TwoClownsEating I have one of these, *only* for use it as a PS5 display, and wade through daily notifications of updates and changing terms.

My terms have not changed: DISPLAY THE MFING IMAGE, SHITWAD.

Great advice in this thread re disconnecting the display from wifi, which I will do today.

@TwoClownsEating @adrianco I came to that conclusion about Samsung several years ago. Second rate products, awful service.

Maybe try a Pi-Hole?

@TwoClownsEating @troy_s That's super-annoying. 😖

I really hope my Panasonic plasma TV from 2006 will last many more years. 😓

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Out of all of them you got the worst offender.

After my first Samsung purchase I had to ask every time if anything requires internet access.

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I never went through the hassle of connecting my “smart tv” to the internet. Laziness wins.

@TwoClownsEating The first mistake is to connect a tv to internet. You not do that normaaly.

Also i wish that bring just dumb tv's back that you expand with external hardware. Also more easy with repair or replace if something breaks.

@TwoClownsEating@beige.party mind if i asked what you use to watch tv (i'm assuming it's some app, since you mention pausing it)? i've never really seen ads get thrown in like that, and if the os is doing it in apps that would be Very Weird (most i've got in recent tvs are stuff in home screen)

@TwoClownsEating@beige.party

disable HbbTV Option or use a filter list inside your router


https://praxistipps.chip.de/samsung-tv-werbung-ausschalten-so-gehts_127604

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Yeah this is absolute dogshit, but you try to find a new large screen monitor for real world money, if you can you'll find it costs more but you get "less" and that will clarify that it's you who are making them money but selling your viewing habits data so they can sell you cheaper TVs.

I'm looking at laser projectors on AliExpress now! 😆
@feijoa

@TwoClownsEating pretty sure LG and other major manufacturers are about to do the same.
I see a gap in the market for streaming TV consoles that don't put these ads in.