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Dianne S

· Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 18:58:36

@TLisaB Yes, exactly. But it's not just Islam. It's religion in general, though I would agree with your assessment that Islam is the worst and most dangerous of the bunch.

DrGeraintLLannfrancheta

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:02:16

@dfs_comedy @TLisaB approx 1 bn moderate ppl of islamic faith might disagree with you. It's always the extremes. Free ppl should chose the faith thwzy want if human rights are respected. Nonetheless the Islamic Republic of Iran should cease to exist as well as the scum of Taliban.

Nazo

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:13:54

@DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB The fundamental problem really does lie in religion in general though. With *any* religion, there is always going to be a group that decides that their interpretation of things is more correct than other people's and that it is their sworn duty to force their specific beliefs on others. And that third group that is "harmless" typically enables them, sitting back and doing nothing to help or even participating in more subtle ways.

Christine Johnson

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:12:25

@nazokiyoubinbou @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB

This dynamic is not specific to religion, of course (see splits within modern ideologies). Nor is it true of every religious group. Labeling "religion" as "the problem" is just the same dynamic of identifying a false viewpoint that must be eliminated.

Nazo

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:15:05

@christinkallama @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB There is a key fundamental difference that is the reason I specify religion. While it is true that other, more secular things can also apply this, there is one key difference: other things can adapt.

Juho Mäntysalo

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 22:39:41

@nazokiyoubinbou @DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB

Well said, though I'd add that this doesn't apply to just (organised) religion.

Much can be said on when imaginary communities are joined willingly, and when under threat of repercussions.

T Lisa B

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:47:30

@DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy

1.000.000.000 people ... silently nodding their heads ...? Did you see the video of this brave woman in Iran yesterday? How many bystanders? No one went to help, no one even said something, they watched, giggeled even, when she was taken away and - most likely - killed. Same here in Germany - appr. 40 knife attacks every day by "refugees" seeking protection here - not a word from the "Muslim community" about it ...

DrGeraintLLannfrancheta

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 20:54:54

@TLisaB @dfs_comedy I agree with you about the Iranian hero girl. 40 attacks here in DE is *sorry* bs. I accept free religion and the Islam, i'am not a fan of it. But no refugee blaming pls. Not helpful. And yes, .

Dianne S

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 21:29:52

@DrGeraintLLannfrancheta The problem is not (as you say) most Muslims. But Islam *is* a problem because it is filled with awful and hateful teachings that *will* be taken to heart by some people. So the danger lurks directly in the religion itself.

snakespeare

Föderation EN Mo 04.11.2024 23:55:13

@DrGeraintLLannfrancheta @dfs_comedy @TLisaB approx 1 bn insane cultists who mutilate childrens genitalia. Religion is never ok.