Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:15:27 Beautiful stuff: "It’s not really enjoyable to make music now… it takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of practice, you have to get really good at an instrument... I think the majority of people don’t enjoy the majority of time they spend making music." https://www.404media.co/ceo-of-ai-music-company-says-people-dont-like-making-music/ |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:19:15 @jasonkoebler Love to disrupt shit I don’t even understand |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:20:05 @jasonkoebler haha what an asshole! 😜 |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:20:11 @jasonkoebler the only thing you're allowed to enjoy anymore is swiping things on your phone and eating snacks that's it those are the only things |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:38:45 @cwebber @jasonkoebler cut to denizens of the spaceship on WALL-E |
Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 20:09:26 @darkuncle@infosec.exchange @cwebber@social.coop @jasonkoebler@mastodon.social I think I would enjoy making music directly into this guy’s skull |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:43:52 @darkuncle @cwebber @jasonkoebler The thing I hated about WALL-E is that people with no responsibilities and no stress would exercise naturally. The biggest reason I'm a fat couch potato in the evenings is that corporate America spent nine hours sucking my soul out through my eye sockets earlier in the day, and then I had to come home to pay bills and schedule a car inspection. By the time I eat and wash the dishes it's too dark for a walk and I don't have the mental energy for the gym. Take those burden away, and I would be a slower version of the amateur athlete I was thirty years ago. I love the rest of WALL-E, but not that part. |
Föderation EN Di 14.01.2025 01:05:38 @firebreathingduck @cwebber @jasonkoebler this is part of why I like WFH so much: the time I’d spend commuting, I can spend taking a walk during the golden hour. Best time of my day. |
Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 18:12:28 @cwebber@social.coop @jasonkoebler@mastodon.social no you're supposed to feel guilty about those |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:36:44 @cwebber @jasonkoebler I think you're overstating things. You don't need to enjoy the snacks, they're just there to fuel the phone swiping. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:22:15 @jasonkoebler This guy is an idiot. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:23:33 @jasonkoebler i have never before quite as rapidly and strongly typed someone in my mind as being an insufferable spunk trumpet |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:24:16 It’s basically setting up humanity to not master anything and to understand nothing about how anything works. What could possibly go wrong? |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:21:42 |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:25:33 @jasonkoebler What the actual f**k?! |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:25:48 @jasonkoebler Who wants to struggle to make anything anymore |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:28:30 them: <devalues artists at every possible turn> |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:29:45 @jasonkoebler how much music has this twit stolen? |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:09:27 @sigh_d @jasonkoebler All of it. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:40:59 @sigh_d @jasonkoebler copyright doesn't exist, but if it's being used to attack people like this, I don't think I really care |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:34:02 @jasonkoebler background audio track of a schoolyard of kids gleefully singing songs they made up |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:35:30 @jasonkoebler - Idiot. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:36:36 CONSUME |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:39:57 @jasonkoebler i guess someone has a child trauma being forced to play an instrument. What a silly man. Poor him he doesnt know the joy of playing music. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:40:00 @jasonkoebler I mean, just look at him. Not having fun! (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:05:26 @twobiscuits @jasonkoebler Who has fun while they are decomposing? |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:09:33 @Ophitoxaemia @jasonkoebler chuck berry! |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:40:02 @jasonkoebler @cwebber This seems like the commentary of someone who tried an instrument, realized it took actual work to be good at, and is pissed about it. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:18:13 @valthonis @jasonkoebler @cwebber He does look like a "fail up" sort of guy |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:17:13 @valthonis @jasonkoebler @cwebber Funny you should say that; his X bio says he’s a “former mediocre musician.” Guess that’s why he’s pushing this nonsense. “If I can’t do it, you can’t, either!” |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:42:08 @jasonkoebler just as well there's no studies on mastery and autonomy |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:42:24 |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:42:32 @jasonkoebler SMH! |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:42:32 @jasonkoebler the running analogy works, but not for the reason he thinks it does. I enjoy running. Traveling the same distance in a vehicle would get me to the destination much faster and more efficiently but completely misses the point of the activity |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:47:06 @jasonkoebler Put this guy in a room with my dad, "Mr. Only the hard things are worth doing", and you'd have an explosion. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:32:26 @virgilpierce What's the minimum safe distance from that gamma-ray burst? |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:47:27 @jasonkoebler once again demonstrating the techbro penchant for being completely detached from humanity lol |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:50:25 @jasonkoebler This is a joke. I enjoy making music much more than listening to it lmfao |
Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 17:51:09 @jasonkoebler@mastodon.social I think the reason some people no longer enjoy making music is the focus on commercial success - some people want you to think everything has to be "productive" |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:51:32 @jasonkoebler <sarcasm> |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:52:53 f*** ... how stupid can one man be ... obviously never been in a punk band |
Föderation FR Mo 13.01.2025 17:53:18 @jasonkoebler maybe spending time with a mind-blowing band of crazy cats, with bizarre ideas and limitless realtime creativity does not suit this guy 💁 |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:54:11 @jasonkoebler CEO of brain manufacturing company “Noggin” laments: “society is so sad these days. Everyone has a brain, but no one wants to use it and you can easily see that because I just told you it’s true. That’s why we’re working on building a brain that will do all the humaning for you so you can just let your body melt away using our sister company ‘NotTrugs’ suite of patented numbing products” |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:55:20 @jasonkoebler I think what this all ultimately boils down to is arrogant tech nerds who lack creative imagination themselves so they disregard those that do because they think themselves objectively smarter than everyone else. I literally don't think they can get their heads around the creative process as a concept. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:36:46 @dfstarshine @jasonkoebler starshine you nailed it. For decades tech bros have pretended they were musicians. Guitar on wall is a disturbingly common cliche. What they can't face is that the creativity and focus and living in the problem they use to earn a living programming is almost the exact same process required to make actual art. Only since they sold theirs already there's not enough left to be a musician or whatever. |
Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 23:38:08 @dfstarshine@icosahedron.website @jasonkoebler@mastodon.social if they spent five seconds trying it rather than shitting all over "the useless humanities", they might find it enjoyable! who knows. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:57:30 @jasonkoebler jesus h christ |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:57:44 - it is easier to put a poster in a frame than to do a puzzle. Nobody likes to do puzzles. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:59:21 @jasonkoebler @alisynthesis “The whole thing smacks of effort.” |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:01:23 @stoneymonster @jasonkoebler I feel both genuine pity and scathing anger toward that person. Normal?? |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:01:59 @alisynthesis @jasonkoebler I have some other, stronger terms for what I feel, so I don’t know. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:04:36 @stoneymonster @jasonkoebler I went through a lot of feeling words before I settled on anger, but yeah, I don't think that quite covers it. To try to convince people *not* to learn something that's so patently good for them as playing a musical instrument or working through musical problems is about the lowest thing you can do. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:01:44 @jasonkoebler This and the Google product manager for the Pixel image manipulation tools saying you have to "clean up" your photos (remove people, erase incidental objects, change lighting) so that the image records the "true memory" of the moment (meaning, of course, the false memory of it). (Source: On Point interview today) |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:02:11 @jasonkoebler |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:38:07 @Crowjane @blogdiva @jasonkoebler |
Föderation DE Mo 13.01.2025 18:14:24 @jasonkoebler nee ich mache keine Musik, aber ich feiere gut gemachte, selbst gemachte Musik, Musiker die was drauf haben, die ihr Instrument oder Stimme gut beherrschen. Ich möchte keine KI Musik… |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:20:06 @jasonkoebler Remember these people are lying salesmen. You shouldn't buy anything from lying salesmen, but you really shouldn't invest any emotion in righteous indignation aimed at them. They do not deserve a serious reaction. The best thing is to not use their stuff and let them go out of business. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:22:07 @jasonkoebler Counterpoint. You don’t have to get “really good” to enjoy making music. You just have to enjoy it. What an asshat! |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:37:31 @monospark Back in school, even though technically I "had to" do it, once I knew a melody reasonably well music was one of the few things that let me forget about everything else, actually close my eyes and simply let the music come out of the instrument. Which is even funnier because I think the one I had the easiest time with was actually a violin; which certainly is not the easiest instrument to get to sound good! Such absolute horror. No way I was actually *good*. But I sure enjoyed it. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:27:51 @jasonkoebler This is such a fascinating bad take to me because it doesn't just show a fundamental misunderstanding of the space he's trying to influence, it betrays what seems to me like a vapid, dispassionate life. I know that sounds incredibly mean, but I really don't know how else to describe someone who considers the act of engaging with something that requires practice and learning and challenging oneself as boring, who finds the concept of gaining mastery unpleasant, and who doesn't see any worth in the experience of creating or performing something beyond the monetizable products created by the performance. For his sake I really hope he's just saying that because he thinks it will help sell his products rather than because he believes it. That'd still be shitty because it'd be lying for profit, but what a sad, dismal way to experience life if he's sincere. |
Föderation EN Di 14.01.2025 00:38:24 @feedtunes @jasonkoebler I was listening to Better Offline's CES podcasts and they were talking about this smoothing out of the human experience (I think it was the second section of this ep https://overcast.fm/+ABGz68zHJOc) and how it seems this was the intention of a lot of the consumer tech. To make things as frictionless as possible so nothing really gets in the way of our productivity. It's a bland nightmare. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:31:57 @jasonkoebler |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:33:08 @jasonkoebler Fuck that guy. But lots of applause on this piece. Lots of journalism lack critical commentary on deranged statements like this. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:35:59 Poor guy has never been invited to a music party in his life. What a sad, sad existence. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:58:48 @jasonkoebler well that's it. That's the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet this year. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:02:14 It sure as hell isn't fun to be making music if it immediatly gets scraped by AI so everyone can copy it in he blink of an eye. When the whole industry is designed around music as a consumable product where artists get paid literal fragments of pennies. where every musician is forced into being a "content creator" in order to survive and fight for peoples attention against algorithms that couldn't care less about the slow and passionate process of creating something of value. OF COURSE it isn't fun if tech companies do everything in their power to make it as little fun and as competitive as possible. And yet they will never steal the magic |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:07:07 @jasonkoebler this one minute nicely sums up all the things wrong not just about AI but the big tech companies and where societies are headed in general |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:18:18 @jasonkoebler @Gargron My previous trumpet coach one called people like him midiots. I think we need a new word to describe this guy though. No fun allowed! |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:22:19 Laugh crying at how wrong this is. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:28:03 |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:59:58 @jasonkoebler I quit my job so I could spend hours every day working on music, gaining a better mastery of the instruments I play, working on my voice, and being more thoughtful of the music I write, because all the work it takes for me to make better music — the work that this total clown is complaining about — is the source of my joy. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:10:47 @jasonkoebler Bitch, you don't like making music because you suck at it and have no desire to put the work in. Get back to being a walking mediocrity, stop taking the creative power of real artists away so you can be in their group. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:13:59 @jasonkoebler what an absolute moron. Celebration of incompetence. Sigh |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:32:41 @woolie @jasonkoebler I wonder what's going on here psychosocially. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:45:37 @tim @jasonkoebler I think it is tech bro grift. And it really bugs me that these people are considered to be in tech. They are just grifters and vaguely related to the tech field. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:06:26 @woolie @jasonkoebler I think we just have entered an era of turbocharged Machiavellianism. It's everywhere you look. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:23:34 @tim @woolie @jasonkoebler you say that as if it's a recent development, and I think it's pretty solidly past tense, darlin. We been here AWHILE. |
Föderation EN Di 14.01.2025 00:15:34 @Verso @woolie @jasonkoebler well, yes, it's all relative. My reference point is, like, 1998. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:14:57 @jasonkoebler I hear JFK's "We Choose To Go To The Moon" speech in my head but changed to "we choose to play the guitar and other musical instruments, not because they are easy but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills ..." |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:15:48 @jasonkoebler he has never seen a band practice or warm up. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:17:08 It does my heart good to see so many people here so irate 💕 Long live the enjoyment of process! Of learning and experimenting and creating and collaborating and being in the moment! |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:30:45 @jasonkoebler Some want the victory, and regard the trophy as a souvenir. Some want the trophy, don't care for the victory, and think anybody who actually works for it is a sucker. Given the way Youtube bombarded me with adverts for MIDI chord-packs, promoting the idea that music theory is hard and complicated (spoiler alert: it's easy to learn enough to put a chord progression together) this just seems like a logical progression. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:16:16 @jasonkoebler ...But the best part about making music, is making music. That is the fun part. The fuck is this guy on? |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:27:50 @jasonkoebler You can't make this stuff up! Whoa. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:48:00 The techbros are not OK... |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:02:20 @jasonkoebler Making music is my favorite thing to do in life. That guy is extremely wrong. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:36:04 @jasonkoebler |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:36:46 The world is being destroyed by heartless, joyless assholes who don't even understand what they're killing. |
Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:38:26 |