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Jason Koebler

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:15:27

Beautiful stuff: "It’s not really enjoyable to make music now… it takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of practice, you have to get really good at an instrument... I think the majority of people don’t enjoy the majority of time they spend making music."

404media.co/ceo-of-ai-music-co

Fisher

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:19:15

@jasonkoebler Love to disrupt shit I don’t even understand

Lord Thomas Klopf of Bohemia

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:20:05

@jasonkoebler haha what an asshole! 😜

Christine Lemmer-Webber

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:20:11

@jasonkoebler the only thing you're allowed to enjoy anymore is swiping things on your phone and eating snacks

that's it those are the only things

Scott Francis

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:38:45

@cwebber @jasonkoebler cut to denizens of the spaceship on WALL-E

Asta [AMP]

Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 20:09:26

@darkuncle@infosec.exchange @cwebber@social.coop @jasonkoebler@mastodon.social I think I would enjoy making music directly into this guy’s skull

firebreathingduck

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:43:52

@darkuncle @cwebber @jasonkoebler

The thing I hated about WALL-E is that people with no responsibilities and no stress would exercise naturally. The biggest reason I'm a fat couch potato in the evenings is that corporate America spent nine hours sucking my soul out through my eye sockets earlier in the day, and then I had to come home to pay bills and schedule a car inspection. By the time I eat and wash the dishes it's too dark for a walk and I don't have the mental energy for the gym.

Take those burden away, and I would be a slower version of the amateur athlete I was thirty years ago.

I love the rest of WALL-E, but not that part.

Scott Francis

Föderation EN Di 14.01.2025 01:05:38

@firebreathingduck @cwebber @jasonkoebler this is part of why I like WFH so much: the time I’d spend commuting, I can spend taking a walk during the golden hour. Best time of my day.

Dave Mac Farlane

Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 18:12:28

@cwebber@social.coop @jasonkoebler@mastodon.social no you're supposed to feel guilty about those

mhoye

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:36:44

@cwebber @jasonkoebler I think you're overstating things. You don't need to enjoy the snacks, they're just there to fuel the phone swiping.

Moe Lassus

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:22:15

@jasonkoebler This guy is an idiot.

vxo

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:23:33

@jasonkoebler i have never before quite as rapidly and strongly typed someone in my mind as being an insufferable spunk trumpet

Jon Henshaw

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:24:16

@jasonkoebler

It’s basically setting up humanity to not master anything and to understand nothing about how anything works. What could possibly go wrong?

Mags at Large

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:25:33

@jasonkoebler What the actual f**k?!

Ernie Smith

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:25:48

@jasonkoebler Who wants to struggle to make anything anymore

Dan Dean

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:28:30

@jasonkoebler

them: <devalues artists at every possible turn>
also them: "It’s not really enjoyable to make music now…"

Simon

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:29:45

@jasonkoebler how much music has this twit stolen?

pixx

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:09:27

Light

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:40:59

@sigh_d @jasonkoebler copyright doesn't exist, but if it's being used to attack people like this, I don't think I really care

Badgers. Contract. Now.

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:34:02

@jasonkoebler background audio track of a schoolyard of kids gleefully singing songs they made up

John Mierau

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:36:36

@jasonkoebler

CONSUME
CONSUME
CONSUME

Mare Polaris

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:39:57

@jasonkoebler i guess someone has a child trauma being forced to play an instrument. What a silly man.

Poor him he doesnt know the joy of playing music.

Twobiscuits🚴‍♂️ :graz:

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:40:00

@jasonkoebler I mean, just look at him. Not having fun!

Portrait of Beethoven looking not amused (with the Manuscript of the Missa Solemnis, 1820, by Joseph Karl Stieler)

(Medien: 1)

The Duke of Fall :d6:

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:40:02

@jasonkoebler @cwebber This seems like the commentary of someone who tried an instrument, realized it took actual work to be good at, and is pissed about it.

bagahens

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:18:13

@valthonis @jasonkoebler @cwebber

He does look like a "fail up" sort of guy

Benj⛤min :mastodon:

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:17:13

@valthonis @jasonkoebler @cwebber Funny you should say that; his X bio says he’s a “former mediocre musician.”

Guess that’s why he’s pushing this nonsense. “If I can’t do it, you can’t, either!”

craignicol

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:42:08

@jasonkoebler just as well there's no studies on mastery and autonomy

Jules

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:42:32

@jasonkoebler the running analogy works, but not for the reason he thinks it does. I enjoy running. Traveling the same distance in a vehicle would get me to the destination much faster and more efficiently but completely misses the point of the activity

virgilpierce

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:47:06

@jasonkoebler Put this guy in a room with my dad, "Mr. Only the hard things are worth doing", and you'd have an explosion.

mkj

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:32:26

@virgilpierce What's the minimum safe distance from that gamma-ray burst?

@jasonkoebler

Mallory's Musings & Mischief

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:47:27

@jasonkoebler once again demonstrating the techbro penchant for being completely detached from humanity lol

Blyfh

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:50:25

@jasonkoebler This is a joke. I enjoy making music much more than listening to it lmfao

Charlotte

Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 17:51:09

@jasonkoebler@mastodon.social I think the reason some people no longer enjoy making music is the focus on commercial success - some people want you to think everything has to be "productive"

actually if you make music just for yourself, you don't have to be really good, or even good at all. just do it for the fun of it

bjb :devuannew: :emacs:

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:51:32

@jasonkoebler
I strongly recommend going to local live music events so you can watch the musicians struggle in person, it is lots of fun.

<sarcasm>

sebastian büttrich

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:52:53

@jasonkoebler

f*** ... how stupid can one man be ... obviously never been in a punk band

Akash

Föderation FR Mo 13.01.2025 17:53:18

@jasonkoebler maybe spending time with a mind-blowing band of crazy cats, with bizarre ideas and limitless realtime creativity does not suit this guy 💁

Big Ben

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:54:11

@jasonkoebler CEO of brain manufacturing company “Noggin” laments: “society is so sad these days. Everyone has a brain, but no one wants to use it and you can easily see that because I just told you it’s true. That’s why we’re working on building a brain that will do all the humaning for you so you can just let your body melt away using our sister company ‘NotTrugs’ suite of patented numbing products”

Starshine 🏳️‍⚧️ 🌜

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:55:20

@jasonkoebler I think what this all ultimately boils down to is arrogant tech nerds who lack creative imagination themselves so they disregard those that do because they think themselves objectively smarter than everyone else.

I literally don't think they can get their heads around the creative process as a concept.

smxi

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:36:46

@dfstarshine @jasonkoebler starshine you nailed it. For decades tech bros have pretended they were musicians. Guitar on wall is a disturbingly common cliche. What they can't face is that the creativity and focus and living in the problem they use to earn a living programming is almost the exact same process required to make actual art. Only since they sold theirs already there's not enough left to be a musician or whatever.

Asta [AMP]

Föderation · Mo 13.01.2025 23:38:08

@dfstarshine@icosahedron.website @jasonkoebler@mastodon.social if they spent five seconds trying it rather than shitting all over "the useless humanities", they might find it enjoyable! who knows.

Michael Mathy

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:57:44

@alisynthesis @jasonkoebler

- it is easier to put a poster in a frame than to do a puzzle. Nobody likes to do puzzles.
- it is easier to take a photo than to draw. Nobody likes to draw.
- ...

Chris White

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 17:59:21

@jasonkoebler @alisynthesis “The whole thing smacks of effort.”

Alison Wilder

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:01:23

@stoneymonster @jasonkoebler I feel both genuine pity and scathing anger toward that person. Normal??

Chris White

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:01:59

@alisynthesis @jasonkoebler I have some other, stronger terms for what I feel, so I don’t know.

Alison Wilder

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:04:36

@stoneymonster @jasonkoebler I went through a lot of feeling words before I settled on anger, but yeah, I don't think that quite covers it. To try to convince people *not* to learn something that's so patently good for them as playing a musical instrument or working through musical problems is about the lowest thing you can do.

Bill, organizer of stuff

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:01:44

@jasonkoebler This and the Google product manager for the Pixel image manipulation tools saying you have to "clean up" your photos (remove people, erase incidental objects, change lighting) so that the image records the "true memory" of the moment (meaning, of course, the false memory of it).

(Source: On Point interview today)

Crowjane

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:02:11

@jasonkoebler
Another pasty white guy telling us what we like. Did his Mom refuse to pay for his piano lessons, because he sucked?

Paul Cantrell

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:38:07

@Crowjane @blogdiva @jasonkoebler
Some business plans are really a cry for help

doganursus

Föderation DE Mo 13.01.2025 18:14:24

@jasonkoebler nee ich mache keine Musik, aber ich feiere gut gemachte, selbst gemachte Musik, Musiker die was drauf haben, die ihr Instrument oder Stimme gut beherrschen. Ich möchte keine KI Musik…

Glenn

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:20:06

@jasonkoebler Remember these people are lying salesmen. You shouldn't buy anything from lying salesmen, but you really shouldn't invest any emotion in righteous indignation aimed at them. They do not deserve a serious reaction. The best thing is to not use their stuff and let them go out of business.

Monospark

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:22:07

@jasonkoebler Counterpoint. You don’t have to get “really good” to enjoy making music. You just have to enjoy it. What an asshat!

mkj

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:37:31

@monospark Back in school, even though technically I "had to" do it, once I knew a melody reasonably well music was one of the few things that let me forget about everything else, actually close my eyes and simply let the music come out of the instrument.

Which is even funnier because I think the one I had the easiest time with was actually a violin; which certainly is not the easiest instrument to get to sound good!

Such absolute horror.

No way I was actually *good*. But I sure enjoyed it.

Feedtunes

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:27:51

@jasonkoebler This is such a fascinating bad take to me because it doesn't just show a fundamental misunderstanding of the space he's trying to influence, it betrays what seems to me like a vapid, dispassionate life.

I know that sounds incredibly mean, but I really don't know how else to describe someone who considers the act of engaging with something that requires practice and learning and challenging oneself as boring, who finds the concept of gaining mastery unpleasant, and who doesn't see any worth in the experience of creating or performing something beyond the monetizable products created by the performance.

For his sake I really hope he's just saying that because he thinks it will help sell his products rather than because he believes it. That'd still be shitty because it'd be lying for profit, but what a sad, dismal way to experience life if he's sincere.

jojoeffe

Föderation EN Di 14.01.2025 00:38:24

@feedtunes @jasonkoebler I was listening to Better Offline's CES podcasts and they were talking about this smoothing out of the human experience (I think it was the second section of this ep overcast.fm/+ABGz68zHJOc) and how it seems this was the intention of a lot of the consumer tech. To make things as frictionless as possible so nothing really gets in the way of our productivity.

It's a bland nightmare.

llewelly

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:31:57

@jasonkoebler
not clicking on that link because I cannot afford to die of an irony overdose today

Mopsi

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:33:08

@jasonkoebler Fuck that guy. But lots of applause on this piece. Lots of journalism lack critical commentary on deranged statements like this.

Chu  朱

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:35:59

@jasonkoebler

Poor guy has never been invited to a music party in his life. What a sad, sad existence.

Nate

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 18:58:48

@jasonkoebler well that's it. That's the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet this year.

SOULSPLITTER

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:02:14

@jasonkoebler

It sure as hell isn't fun to be making music if it immediatly gets scraped by AI so everyone can copy it in he blink of an eye. When the whole industry is designed around music as a consumable product where artists get paid literal fragments of pennies. where every musician is forced into being a "content creator" in order to survive and fight for peoples attention against algorithms that couldn't care less about the slow and passionate process of creating something of value.

OF COURSE it isn't fun if tech companies do everything in their power to make it as little fun and as competitive as possible.

And yet they will never steal the magic

Áron

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:07:07

@jasonkoebler this one minute nicely sums up all the things wrong not just about AI but the big tech companies and where societies are headed in general

Phillip

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:18:18

@jasonkoebler @Gargron My previous trumpet coach one called people like him midiots. I think we need a new word to describe this guy though. No fun allowed!

Ciggy Bringer of Smoke

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:22:19

@jasonkoebler

Laugh crying at how wrong this is.

Btrinen

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 19:59:58

@jasonkoebler I quit my job so I could spend hours every day working on music, gaining a better mastery of the instruments I play, working on my voice, and being more thoughtful of the music I write, because all the work it takes for me to make better music — the work that this total clown is complaining about — is the source of my joy.

Nini

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:10:47

@jasonkoebler Bitch, you don't like making music because you suck at it and have no desire to put the work in. Get back to being a walking mediocrity, stop taking the creative power of real artists away so you can be in their group.

Steven Woolgar

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:13:59

@jasonkoebler what an absolute moron. Celebration of incompetence. Sigh

Tim Trautmann

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:32:41

@woolie @jasonkoebler I wonder what's going on here psychosocially.

Steven Woolgar

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:45:37

@tim @jasonkoebler I think it is tech bro grift. And it really bugs me that these people are considered to be in tech. They are just grifters and vaguely related to the tech field.

Tim Trautmann

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:06:26

@woolie @jasonkoebler I think we just have entered an era of turbocharged Machiavellianism. It's everywhere you look.

Kelly Guimont

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:23:34

@tim @woolie @jasonkoebler you say that as if it's a recent development, and I think it's pretty solidly past tense, darlin. We been here AWHILE.

Tim Trautmann

Föderation EN Di 14.01.2025 00:15:34

@Verso @woolie @jasonkoebler well, yes, it's all relative. My reference point is, like, 1998.

Tarraccas

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:14:57

@jasonkoebler I hear JFK's "We Choose To Go To The Moon" speech in my head but changed to "we choose to play the guitar and other musical instruments, not because they are easy but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills ..."

Gik :prami:

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:15:48

@jasonkoebler he has never seen a band practice or warm up.

NilaJones

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:17:08

@jasonkoebler

It does my heart good to see so many people here so irate 💕

Long live the enjoyment of process! Of learning and experimenting and creating and collaborating and being in the moment!

Kat

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 20:30:45

@jasonkoebler Some want the victory, and regard the trophy as a souvenir.

Some want the trophy, don't care for the victory, and think anybody who actually works for it is a sucker.

Given the way Youtube bombarded me with adverts for MIDI chord-packs, promoting the idea that music theory is hard and complicated (spoiler alert: it's easy to learn enough to put a chord progression together) this just seems like a logical progression.

Limnetic Villains

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:16:16

@jasonkoebler ...But the best part about making music, is making music. That is the fun part. The fuck is this guy on?

Hakan Bayındır

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 21:27:50

@jasonkoebler You can't make this stuff up! Whoa.

Thirteenth Worrier

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 22:48:00

@jasonkoebler

The techbros are not OK...

Daniel M Karlsson

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:02:20

@jasonkoebler Making music is my favorite thing to do in life. That guy is extremely wrong.

Lea

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:36:04

@jasonkoebler
"Our AI product will relieve you of the unenjoyable drudgery of creating art so that you are free to find personal fulfillment by performing repetitive tasks in the factories."

Violet Madder

Föderation EN Mo 13.01.2025 23:36:46

@jasonkoebler

The world is being destroyed by heartless, joyless assholes who don't even understand what they're killing.