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Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 11:36:41

The New York Times reports that Trump is making the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board de facto inoperable. This punches the first major hole in EU-US data transfers agreement (TADPF).

Using US Cloud providers could quickly violate the GDPR (even in the European Commission's view).

noyb.eu/en/us-cloud-soon-illeg

gentlegardener

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 12:08:39

@noybeu so how do we move our data to non US clouds? And, I guess may lose market share (70% all global data traffic goes through ).
@BlueVirginia @VirginiaMercury
@bloomberg

Felix Eckhardt

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 13:00:07

@noybeu Maybe using Clouds of US Based Companies is not a good idea anyways. How reliable is the whole thing now? With Trump being erratic as he is and the lapdog Oligarchs owning these clouds we might be in a better position, when avoiding too much dependencies with the US.

forekickerofueberbilk

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 14:48:29

@felix_eckhardt @noybeu Naaa, @HHU und @stadtbuechereien_duesseldorf, vielleicht doch mal etwas mehr Fediverse und weniger Kontrolle größenwahnsinniger US-Milliardäre über unsere Öffiarbeit und Recherchen? Zuckerberg mit seinem hat sich jetzt auch Trumps Launen unterworfen, und Google ist genauso asozial.

Fat_Farang

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 13:16:26

@noybeu Did someone mention the NYTimes: newyorkwarcrimes.com/

JoannaCanFixIT

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 13:34:59

@noybeu You shouldn't use US cloud anyway. US was never an ally

gorsefan

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 13:48:28

@noybeu I expect the hollering from lobbyist tech firms will make him reconsider, or add exceptions

Kaika

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 14:19:13

@noybeu Ah comme c'est d'un comique. Avec la CE qui a passé tout son service sur M365. Tellement stricte avec la sécurité des données. Je me demande comment ils vont contourner le problème.

Arlo Godfrey

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 14:26:23

@noybeu Alright, I guess I'll make my own cloud. all the way.

aeris

Föderation · Do 23.01.2025 14:28:28

@noybeu@mastodon.social I open a complaint against our own DPA for Cloudflare usage this day, quoting your press release and asking for CJEU question

RE:
https://firefish.imirhil.fr/notes/a3cxi1ig53ku06nx

troy_friz_zell

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 14:46:31

@noybeu

A silver lining to the fascist takeover in Washington would be if Europe can shake off its dependencies on the USA. From computing to military to social, you guys don't need us.

Patrick Vanhoucke

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 21:57:26

@noybeu @troy_frizzell Is that ‘us’ or ‘US’?

troy_friz_zell

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 23:27:19

@librarianbe @noybeu

lol, yes, both work for me

Schneckbert 🐌

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 14:51:36

@noybeu so - no more cloudflare shit then.

Becksy

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 15:07:19

@noybeu most of the culprits already have data centres located in Europe, many in Ireland. The question is how will we know which centres they use?

Kobold

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 18:24:41

@Becksy @noybeu Simple, don't use them at all!

Becksy

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 18:52:51

@kobold @noybeu with Amazon, Microsoft and Google having a 62% market share it’s desirable but impractical to not be dependent on data and systems they provide.

Kobold

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 20:05:10

@Becksy @noybeu agreed, but might still be illegal soon.

HyperSoop :neocat_floof_explode:‮

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 15:10:42

@noybeu Oh I'd love to see US cloud become illegal in the EU. Trump is so deserving of such a middle finger and can't be trusted with any potential control over people's data anyway

Ruben Borg Nielsen

Föderation EN Fr 24.01.2025 07:49:09

@gael @noybeu Did not know about euro-stack.com/

What a delightful breath of fresh air 💖

Rara

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 15:41:48

@noybeu Ireland is fucked then right? No cloud servers from US companies in Ireland if the EU deems them illegal.

DoughPayMe

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 15:59:57

@noybeu Does this affect personal users who never use the cloud or try not to?

aeris

Föderation · Do 23.01.2025 16:08:56

@DoughPayMe@mstdn.social @noybeu@mastodon.social Yes. "US cloud" is to understand as "any US IT service, product, software or hardware"

cobalt

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 16:16:57

@noybeu This Is what many Americans are unaware of. They continue to believe this is done only by China, Russia or rogue hackers.

“ The US on the other hand has very strong mass surveillance laws (e.g. FISA702 or EO 12.333), that allow the US government to access any data stored with Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Google and any other US Big Tech firm without probable cause or individual judicial approval.”

Linux Is Best

Föderation · Do 23.01.2025 16:18:23

@noybeu@mastodon.social

This is why, I have been generating a list of service providers outside the United States jurisdiction.
😉

It has not been easy to generate this list. Often you could find company one, and they're based outside the USA, but they're owned by business two, who was also owned by corporation three, and unfortunately they would be based in the United States.

🤫 VPN =

* iVPN, located in Gibraltar, Europe (UK territory)
https://www.ivpn.net/

* Mullvad VPN, located in Sweden, Europe
https://mullvad.net/

* Goose VPN, located in the Netherlands, Europe
https://goosevpn.com/

* Xeovo VPN, located in Finland, Europe
https://xeovo.com/

🌐 Managed DNS =

* AdGuard DNS, located in Cyprus, Europe
https://adguard-dns.io/

* ClouDNS, located in Bulgaria, Europe
https://www.cloudns.net/

* deSEC, located in Germany, Europe
https://desec.io/

🌐 Public DNS =

* CIRA Canadian Shield, located in Canada, North America
https://www.cira.ca/en/canadian-shield/configure/

* Mullvad DNS, located in Sweden, Europe
https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls

🔏 Privacy focused e-mail =

* Tuta, located in Germany, Europe
https://tuta.com/

* Soverin, located in the Netherlands, Europe
https://soverin.com/

* Startmail, located in the Netherlands, Europe
https://www.startmail.com/

* Mailfence, located in Belgium, Europe
https://mailfence.com/

🌍 Domain Registration / Web Hosting =

* Scalewy, located in France, Europe
https://www.scaleway.com/

* OVH, located in France, Europe
https://www.ovhcloud.com/

* Netcup, located in Germany, Europe
https://www.netcup.com/

* Glesys, located in Sweden, Europe
https://glesys.com/

🌍 CDN =

* OVH, located in France, Europe
https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/web-hosting/options/cdn/

* Key CDN, located in Switzerland, Europe
https://www.keycdn.com/

Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 16:27:58

@noybeu America is not Europe's friend now, cut the line. Cut everything. They're coming for us.

Gilberto Ruiz

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 16:49:11

@noybeu It was not a good idea to host sensitive data in the U.S. even before Trump. Any government agency gets access to data without a warrant.

Ch M[ae][iy]e?r 🇪🇺 🖤 🤍

Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 19:30:22

@noybeu

I can't help thinking that all previous data transfer agreements have been far-fetched anyway and just a legal contortion of political will.

Perhaps we should thank Trump that the assessment is now much easier.

On the other hand, the governments, lobbyists, parties, companies, private individuals, ... would also sign any explicit consent, even if it had the wording ‘Yes, I want Europe to become a digital colony. I am happy to give data, money, knowledge and power to US corporations.’

I am curious to see which path Europe will choose.

Thomas Delattre

Föderation EN Fr 24.01.2025 07:46:03

@noybeu I wonder what will happen first: the US collapsing or launching the third WW?

Françoise Conil

Föderation EN Fr 24.01.2025 09:04:45

@noybeu So it is now urgent to stop any Health data hub and any other projects that rely on US Cloud providers and uses EU personnal data

Phil Thane ✅

Föderation EN Fr 24.01.2025 09:46:19

@noybeu
Of course another of those 'Brexit Benefits' for the UK is that we don't need to worry about EU laws, we can continue donating all our data to the US without Brussels bureaucrats interfering. Sovrinty innit?

kiilo 💭 ☀️ ✅ 🍌

Föderation EN Fr 24.01.2025 18:06:07

@noybeu i would appreciate you remove X as social media from your site

Antonio Madueno

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 07:50:46

@noybeu

Uh-uh, now the (perceived ;-) low risk of invalidation of the data privacy framework from one day to another seems to materialize.

This is going to put many (if not all) businesses and economies under major stress.

Saupreiss #NotJustSad

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 07:52:40

@noybeu

Nobody will give a shit. They’re playing the chicken game and they are going to win it. Europeans are so dependent on US providers, US infrastructure, … If say Office365 was rightfully deemed unusable, a hell lot of businesses would be stranded. They’re not going to accept that.
If we extend that to AWS&Co….

cidig 📚💻

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 00:49:57

@noybeu That would create a serious problem to my work :D but on the other hand it could force the use of and boost its development throughout Europe etc. :)

James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 10:12:05

@noybeu Fascism is incompatible with the future

Winfried 🏳️‍🌈

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 10:35:18

@bert_hubert
The executive orders and the current actions of the big tech companies also impact the risk analysis for the other transfer mechanisms and the risk for 'further processing' of data stored in the EU.

Cyrille Pontvieux

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 12:37:29

@noybeu I really LOVE (irony) how Doctolib has been mandatory here in France (and if you don't use it, your pratician does, which is equivalent) and that Doctolib uses Amazon for database provider!

Eric Schutte

Föderation NL Di 28.01.2025 13:30:00

@noybeu
Data van Onedrive worden zo te zien in de regio opgeslagen.
Data van Nederlandse Onedrivegebruikers wordt dus NIET in Amerika opgeslagen (hoop ik).

(Medien: 1)

Webhalla

Föderation EN So 02.02.2025 04:10:18

@noybeu

administration asked resignation from the three Democrats on the US Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, leaving the watchdog without a quorum thus rendering it useless. Is still ? Can we still use US based ?