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SlightlyCyberpunk

· Föderation EN Mi 29.01.2025 14:00:01

@brettk @timnitGebru I feel like that was kinda the whole point of Open Source being created in the first place -- in opposition to the Free Software movement. Open Source was always about being pro-corporate and capitalist and at this point the term means whatever tho billionaires want it to mean! The ability for you and I to see the source was never the point to those people, it was only a byproduct.

aspragg

Föderation EN Mi 29.01.2025 21:32:28

@admin @brettk @timnitGebru I don't think that's entirely fair. While "Open Source" was meant to be more approachable than "Free Software" to corporate interests, I think that's more accurately due to a genuine (if naïve?) belief that corporate involvement in F/OSS could provide contributions that would benefit everyone - FSF hackers and corporations alike. And the founders of the OSI certainly weren't billionaires. See OSI history for more info, esp. "Further Reading"

opensource.org/history

SlightlyCyberpunk

Föderation EN Mi 29.01.2025 22:01:52

@aspragg @brettk @timnitGebru I never said the founders were billionaires; I said the billionaires have significant influence and benefits from the movement in our present day.

Because how exactly did those founders think that making it more friendly to corporations would help? By getting them more money to develop the code! That's my whole point, they sacrificed the principles of free, democratic, user-controlled software for the promise of cold, hard cash. And now here we are a few decades later seeing that all the remaining principles have *also* been sacrificed in exchange for that cash. Because that is the logical outcome when you build a movement around prioritizing commercial success.

And that was *absolutely* the reason. Look at essays and interviews from people like ESR. I've seen multiple interviews where he starts literally screaming that it's not just about sharing the code, that they aren't "communists" who just want to give things away for free, and insisting that he supports the capitalists. Maybe not *everyone* involved in the movement was doing it to benefit corporate interests but a lot of people who were very influential were extremely clear about that being their motivation.