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CharLES ☭ H

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 00:45:52

Bluesky users: For a mere $30million USD, we can distribute Bluesky to one other node

Fedi users: I put an instance on my car!

meow

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 00:57:36

@celesteh instance running on a router in a plastic bag outside your window

snac-mifi.vea.st/chloe/p/-1225

acile :archlinux:

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 06:56:43

@theverygaming which software do you run there?

wanderingmagus

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 09:20:02

@0xba @theverygaming @theverygaming doesn't run that one, @chloe does and would know more about that.

meow

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 13:16:32

@wanderingmagus @0xba @chloe yeah Chloe runs it, not me. Afaik it just runs snac
codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2

Michael 🎇

Föderation · Sa 25.01.2025 10:30:45

@theverygaming @celesteh but but but... it's cold up there! :catwoah:

Hadley T. Canine (fox)

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 03:12:45

@theverygaming @celesteh Oh thank god, I'm not the only person who has put network equipment on a stick and extended it outside of a window.

That deployment was temporary though, and done in (british) summer on a dry day, but also the stick was very long to help clear the building and get better signal.

Guill.Jones, Honorary Canadian

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:10:36

@celesteh
Fedi Users: I can put an instance on my cat! 🥥

Davey

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:14:11

@celesteh if it can run DOOM, it can run a fedi instance

steppl

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 12:25:06

@davey_cakes

@celesteh

Following this theory we will see soon a port to PDF 🤣

Rocketman

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 19:43:02

@davey_cakes @celesteh Who’ll be the first to implement a Fedi server in Excel, I wonder?

CharLES ☭ H

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 19:49:50

@slothrop @davey_cakes

Idle hands truly are the devil's workshop

Puskiais-Laa-Laa

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:21:49

@celesteh

😫✋ can it run doom?
😏👉 can it run gotosocial?

eris

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:29:22

@celesteh @celesteh it doesn't take 30 million, a bluesky dev made a copy of the full relay with a server costing $150/month . this is an unfair comparison, as at least one bluesky pds is currently being run on a ps4. the "save our feeds" thing is a techbro scam, basically

Emma (IPG)

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:34:36

@celesteh someone's running a bluesky pds off a PS4

halva 🐇

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:37:16

@ipg @celesteh https://bsky.app/profile/retr0.id/post/3lbn6f2cdgk2m i don’t think anybody’s ever beating this

Carlos Francisco 🦣

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 02:02:49

@ipg @celesteh PDS is just local user data. You need a lot more than just a PDS to make bluesky works.

Koldinium

Föderation · Sa 25.01.2025 03:26:35

@carloshr@lile.cl @ipg@wetdry.world @celesteh@lgbt.io the most expensive bit is the relay, and it's expensive enough that it's out of reach for the average joe but affordable for a mid-sized organization. Below is a snippet from the white paper.

That's not even counting projects like cerulea, which is an alternative relay that doesn't index the main Bluesky PDSs.

Existential Dread Cat

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:35:45

@celesteh Bonus: Fedi instance may or may not include a catgirl

Guess where I am

haui

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:43:19

@celesteh the what? I dont know what to say to that.

Adam Bell :catPOWER:

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 01:50:54

(Medien: 1)

My camera shoots fascists

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 03:59:02

@b3ll

Thankfully I had just finished swallowing the last bite of dinner when I read that 😂😂

Adam Bell :catPOWER:

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 05:46:25

@Mikal 😂😂

My camera shoots fascists

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 06:09:25

@b3ll

We need a "laugh so hard and suddenly that you blow food out your nose" emoji.

MateRhyu

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 09:20:36

@Mikal
Well it can be done -here on the fediverse- or it might have already been in some instance's custom emoji :MastodonOops:
@b3ll

Foolsgarden

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 02:46:57

@celesteh thanks for explaining that so clearly 😀

Mustardon ~ IWRY 🦅

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 02:57:31

@celesteh
Does this make it the first Federation Shuttle?

Brayd

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 03:08:29

@celesteh Bluesky is like a two sided sword for me (does this saying work like this in English?)

One one side I like it from a user perspective. It objectively has nice features like the fact that likes and comments are synced and not only partly shown like on Fedi because they’re not fully federating here. It also has those „feeds“ anyone can create, giving more timelines to the user to discover new people.

On the other hand it’s not decentralized. Sure the PDS‘ are, but the moderation service (the main one) is still centralized and can’t be turned off. So it’s not secured against them going crazy and adapting to idk USA‘s new „standards“ or something like that. The identity server that verified the DID‘s is also not decentralized.

So from a technical perspective, especially in a time where decentralization is important, Mastodon is objectively far ahead. However when it comes to adaption of non-technical users and ease of use, then Bluesky is far ahead, which explains why it gains so much more users.

For me personally Mastodon will always be my focus, but I understand non-technical users that go to Bluesky saying that engagement is better or it’s easier for them to use, etc.

Violet

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 05:53:02

@brayd @celesteh

The normal English phrase is "double-edged sword", but obviously close enough!

dictionary.cambridge.org/dicti

Brayd

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 13:00:17

@amethyst thanks! 😬

notsoloud

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 12:52:22

@brayd
Fedi's job now is to stay alive, evolve and prepare for the day when it's the last bastion of freedom, which may happen sooner than we'd like.

Imagine the bots roaming Big Social all turning to attack the Fediverse. Look out for how to support our moderators.
@celesteh

Mik3y

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 03:40:00

@celesteh 30 million?

Bitslingers-R-Us

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 03:52:42

@celesteh That's funny, because I am literally looking to install snac2 (https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2) on the email server that I run in my car.

gavinisdie :troll:

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 04:08:42

@celesteh not sure of this counts, but I've seen Mastodon clients running on Apple IIs!

author_is_ShrikeTron🔠💉x7

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 04:36:14

@celesteh Bluesky, powered by crypto techbros.

Su_G

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 04:43:47

@celesteh

Great comparison!! Really illustrates the differences, & indirectly, the benefits, in a charming way! 🙂

chx

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 06:27:18

@celesteh that 30 mil initiative is a scam ran by hustlers who are currently in AI but sure they wouldn't mind branching into social media if they can pocket 30 mil and do nothing for it.

crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts

Föderation · Sa 25.01.2025 07:45:34

@celesteh@lgbt.io 👍

Who says it?

Instead of pumping money into the next dead horse, you could use it to fund countless instances of the Fediverse.

Laberpferd

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 08:28:25

@celesteh How long do you think it takes until Elon buys these servers? I bet its before the end of 2026

wanderingmagus

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 09:24:42

@Laberpferd @celesteh The BlueSky servers? I'd be surprised if he waited to the end of the year to make his offer. Mastodon? Never. All hail the Fediverse! Decentralization ftw!

✨🇪🇺 Mia’s Simulacrum 🏳️‍⚧️✨

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 09:43:59

@celesteh

Uhh look!
Fakenews on mastodon.
Cool cool

CharLES ☭ H

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 10:08:34

@m I'm referencing the free our feeds thing promoted by Doctorow. Obviously, the misskey on a Mazda guy may have made it up. I only do so much diligence with my shitposting.

✨🇪🇺 Mia’s Simulacrum 🏳️‍⚧️✨

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 10:14:01

@celesteh sorry I am not deep enough into whatever lore this is to understand a single sentence 😅

But this is okay if it is a shitpost i don’t need to understand it. In you post I’m comparison with the „free our feeds“ is funny.

hikewithrichard

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 09:54:46

@celesteh A mastodon instance of my own: 6 USD per month. I think Bluessky has a key flaw. It requires Venture Capitalists to survive, and in my opinion this is not a good situation to be in.

Marcos Dione

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 10:00:00

@celesteh there's a story about a group of geeks from Mendoza traveling to Buenos Aires in two cars. Don't remember the year, but it must have been late late 90s/early early 00s. Cell data was _expensive_, including the roaming they charged when you crossed provincial lines. So they setup an AP in one of the cars and I think it was either an IRC or XMMP server and used that to coordinate.

Edit: forgot to mention: that was a 1k km (1Mm!) trip.

tarot reader lunya :3 :neocat_floof_flag_trans:

Föderation · Sa 25.01.2025 10:03:43

@celesteh@lgbt.io fedi users will put an instance in anything that contains metal

Amro has been

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 10:20:36

@celesteh
Fedi users: I put an instance on my car!
Me: You mean insurance?
Fedi users:
Me: No, really! Insurance?

Dragon

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 10:45:19

@celesteh I wonder how well activitypub deals with a node that’s only intermittently online.

Why is there now part of me that wants to throw mastodon or perhaps one of the lighter apps on a sbc/mini pc and dangle it off the end of a cellular connection to try that

CharLES ☭ H

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 10:48:05

@Dragon ive also wondered this. Please give it a go!

Dragon

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 10:51:24

@celesteh i’d probably have to vpn it via a VPS or some other place though So I could route incoming connections to it.

Whilst I know of where I could get my hands on a sim with public static ip the data costs would be prohibitive for trying something like that!

The_Sun

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 15:23:18

@Dragon

Solarcene instance is solar powered and regularly goes off line overnight.

Sometimes for days at a time

Will go offline in 5 minutes

@celesteh

nenon

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 11:52:21

@celesteh has anyone tried running an instance on a postmarketOS-phone?

Anil Dash

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 15:51:05

@celesteh different systems have different design goals? Like… I don’t know why we’re still doing this kind of thing.

Estarriol, lucozade dragon

Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 18:33:43

@celesteh finally a use for IoT, the fridge can host the fedi, the washing machine pixelfed, and the cats chip now has ICanHazCheezeBurger!

JaxxAI

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 13:23:23

@celesteh can it be done on a smart watch?

Lee Hauser

Föderation EN So 26.01.2025 22:27:07

@celesteh Since I first heard about the $30 million AT protocol thing, I’ve been wondering why it would take so much money. We have whole open source office suites. Photo editing software. Web browsers. Freaking OPERATING SYSTEMS. Sure, there’s corporate support behind many of them. But why $30 million? Why isn’t someone in Kyiv doing this right now?