Föderation EN Mi 15.01.2025 23:57:27 Introducing 🍵 Maptcha 🗺️ Maptcha is at its alpha stage, and we are testing it on potential users. To take part in the test, please follow this link: You have ~one week time to take part and give us some feedback. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 01:14:59 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus Interesting project. Some feedback - 1. It's not clear what "swipe left" or "swipe right" means. Is it swipe _to_ the left/right, or swipe _from_ the left/right? UIs usually show a color and some text as you start to swipe, to give you a hint. 1/3 |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 01:15:28 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus 2. I usually like to be able to zoom in and also hide the data to check outline correctness, but there's no way to do that here. A no-interaction way would be to slowly blink the building outline. 2/3 |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 07:33:03 @contrapunctus @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus I agree. I was squinting my eyes moving my phone back and forth. I found the item in the questionare about zoom levels unclear. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 01:15:45 |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 12:03:14 @contrapunctus @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus yeah what happens in that case? Is it correct or not? |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 16:57:11 @amapanda @contrapunctus @ciupava @soporificoctopus it's not - there's no correct outline around a building. We'll probably remove these "true negative" cases in the next version. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 02:26:12 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus What I can say: takes some time getting used to the swipe on the computer. The buttons are also not super responsive, which confuses me a bit But thanks a lot for this SUPER NICE initiative! |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 07:32:21 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus Great tool. Some feedback. Sometimes there is no red shape at all. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 09:25:48 @pac @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus Yup, just got this: (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 08:35:25 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus is that demo site supposed to repeat the same few pictures over and over? |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 08:55:50 @ciupava @grischard My first though would be: how will you handle accessibility here? As vision-impaired users may not be able to fill in visual captchas. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 09:00:16 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus what’s your plan for accessibility? |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 11:15:28 @morre @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus I was wondering the same. I had a hard time finding a red outline in many of the pictures at all without zooming in. And I am only colourblind and not even a hard case in that. So for that specific case maybe use a different colour for the outline? Although I am not sure how people with other types of colourblindness react to other colours. And that still leaves the question what the plan is for people with other visual restrictions. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 14:32:50 @der_mit_ph @morre @ciupava @soporificoctopus good point! Maybe cyan would provide more contrast. In a next version, we want to be zoomed in on the building so it's clear what place we're talking about, and have some kind of transparency or buffer so the edges are visible. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 09:39:52 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus Some images dows not have a marked building at all so its neither correcly nor incorrectly mapped. Same Images come again and again |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 09:51:44 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus overall I think the idea in interesting, however, I see a few issues at the moment: 1. this seems completely non-accessible 1/2 |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 09:55:14 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus as others have noted, being able to turn off the red outline (e.g. long press and hold?) would be a welcome improvement. Great idea though, I hope it takes off! |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 10:26:06 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus what's the accessibility fallback for people who have some kind of sight impairment? I think even a red-green color blindness would pose issues on a photo with red outline and a lot of grass. Here's an example of red on red: (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 10:53:17 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus some of those buildings are so hard to detect, it could also have been a trailer or something. especially when objects get small. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 12:01:27 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus sounds great but what about accessibility? 🤔 👏 👏 👏 for the release |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 12:04:46 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus did a first try, I genuinely can't tell 🤷 what I am supposed to do? No "I don't know" or "skip" button? (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 12:04:51 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus like others I often get the same one a few times, or get no outline Sometimes the building is cut by the edge of the image, and the red line goes along the edge of the image. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 14:59:22 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus hmm, some of the images aren't zoomed in enough to decide, like this one... (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 15:31:06 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus So the first obvious problem is that some of the images have highlighted areas that are just too small to be able tell what's going on and the second problem is that after doing half a dozen or so screens I have yet to see a single case that I was prepared to mark as an accurate outline - in other words it had detected a building but had failed to generate an accurate outline. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 15:41:26 @tomh @ciupava @soporificoctopus yeah the AI algorithms don't generate good outlines; certainly not good enough to put on OSM. The idea is that humans clicking on the captcha would tell us there's an unmapped building there, for a tool which would tell mappers. Yes, some of the outlines are too small to see, and the red outline covers the edge, and doesn't have enough contrast on red ground - we'll fix it in a next version. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 16:44:51 @grischard @ciupava @soporificoctopus The problem is the prompt asks for "images where the red shape is correctly outlining a building" which suggests the outline needs to be correct rather than just that it needs to have located a building so that probably needs some tweaking. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 17:46:07 @tomh @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus oh it has to be accurate? I was selecting correct if the outline was "eh there is a building here" rather than "that's good mapping" (ie it looks like me and TomH read the same text differently) |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 17:30:40 @ciupava |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 18:05:30 @SchwarzeLocke @ciupava @soporificoctopus there should be some bad ones in there. You’re right that we should systematically include known bad ones! |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 18:10:23 There are a lot of color-blind people. |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 20:06:25 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus As a non-native English speaker, I had a hard time to understand the instructions. And I was puzzled because in a number of images there is no "red shape" I can spot. Overall I feel not competent enough to succeed this test... |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 20:20:50 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus |
Föderation EN Do 16.01.2025 21:19:08 @ciupava @grischard @soporificoctopus Maybe let users switch the color or let the outline blink. “Correctly outlining a building” is not easy to understand, and not well defined. ONE building? A WHOLE building? A good outline or any that more or less catches a building? Some little rectangle might be something else than a building: just a roof, a container, a trailer, concrete on the ground… Maybe add roads/rivers: Does this line mark a road/river? |