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Föderation EN Sa 13.07.2024 02:21:39

if you have to make your feature opt-out because people wouldn't opt-in then you shouldn't be making that feature

Föderation · Sa 13.07.2024 03:31:10

@dotjayne@tech.lgbt happy to be on a team that shares this sentiment! The company at large... Can't win em all

Föderation EN Sa 13.07.2024 22:28:09

@dotjayne @lieter In fact, you then know definitively that this is a feature, but for you and against your users.

Föderation EN Sa 13.07.2024 22:43:21

@paulehoffman it's a real shame the world/economy/internet has come to this

Föderation EN Sa 13.07.2024 22:56:33

@dotjayne

Opt-out is abuse.

I've said it many times and nobody has challenged this yet.

Föderation EN Sa 13.07.2024 23:37:20

@dotjayne stg I'm gonna put this on my tomb stone at this point

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 05:20:38

@dotjayne what a good rule of thumb

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 07:19:26

@dotjayne

I know this makes me an extremist, but until the entire Internet is retooled around an Opt-In philosophy, I refuse to play.

Föderation · So 14.07.2024 10:15:12

kinda morbid joke

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 12:39:20

@dotjayne I really hate how the GDPR "legitimate interest" purpose has been hijacked into legitimising opt-out.

"We assert without evidence that it's in our legitimate interest to collect this data, but you can always object!"

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 12:39:56

@dotjayne There are a few circumstances where opt-out is preferable — organ donation, for example. The criterion should be ‘ is it good for society as a whole?’

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 12:42:02

@KimSJ @dotjayne shouldn’t that be more “does the demonstrable benefit to society outweigh harm that might be done to the person”? in the case of organ donation after death, there is no person for there to be a cost to - the person has expired. there are cases where a benefit to society argument will be employed without a definite benefit to society

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 16:20:04

@KimSJ I honestly feel like that is one of the very few examples where opt-out is preferable. I also assume the OP was talking about tech exclusively.

Föderation EN Mo 15.07.2024 17:23:12

@KimSJ @dotjayne good point. If cross-context behavioral/surveillance/personalized advertising was really a good way to match buyers and sellers in a market, then by now it would been possible to show that people with privacy tools and/or settings are buying worse products and services ( blog.zgp.org/easy-experiment-b ) But it looks like the effect goes in the opposite direction.

Instead of assuming a trade-off between market and privacy goals, better to see a win-win situation when it presents itself

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 18:57:27

@dotjayne yeah but what if Facebook pays?!

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 19:23:30

@dotjayne@tech.lgbt it shouldn't be referred to as a "feature" but a "clause"

Föderation · So 14.07.2024 20:41:02

@dotjayne@tech.lgbt people just don't opt-in into features though

Like, fuck, let's stop making security updates for windows, because if windows didn't push them, way too little people would opt-in for it to matter.

99% stay on defaults. Tech tweakers that go through every knob is the minority.

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 20:48:00

Mozilla -/+

Föderation EN So 14.07.2024 21:59:17

@dotjayne

Counterpoint: vaccines

Föderation EN Mo 15.07.2024 12:49:15

@elithebearded @dotjayne Organ donations. Germany has a problem w too few organ donations cause it's opt-in here (ya needa opt-in before ur death so't can be done after ur death).

Föderation EN Di 16.07.2024 15:32:46

@dotjayne also it shouldn't be called „feature“ then.