· Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 16:37:32
@nick @sl007 Mastodon is now 8 1/2 years old. It’s quite clear that the communication hasn’t worked in a way that would generate significant traction beyond a small group; approximately 1M regular Mastodon users out of 5.4B internet users.
The decentralized communication of these users (if it even occurs!) is obviously not enough. For instance, I mention Mastodon disproportionately on https://eicker.TV. But that’s not an adequate strategy, at best it’s just nice communication.
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 16:42:35
@nick @sl007 Oh, and what I regularly notice is that Mastodon has a surprisingly bad reputation. There are frequent comments from people saying how condescendingly they were welcomed on Mastodon, which made them leave again (I have no idea which side was responsible for that, of course). And on top of that, the CSEM issue still lingers in the minds of some people when they think of Mastodon.
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 18:07:57
In this case, what do you mean with #Mastodon? The software, their developers, a specific instance, the #Fediverse as a network of thousands of independent servers?
And CSEM? Are you referring to "Child sexual exploitation material"? Which issue?
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 18:18:55
@nick @sl007 I suspect the instances and users those people first encountered when they came into contact with »Mastodon.«
Yes, CSEM/CSAM, and the accusation isn’t unfounded, though ultimately unavoidable in any decentralized network: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-network
In any case, it’s something that has obviously stuck with many people – and is repeatedly brought up by opponents especially from the Musk camp.
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 19:45:05
Usually #Fediverse instance operators will defederate such instances like it was done with Gab in 2019.
And obviously not wanted content is not limited to federated networks.
Föderation DE Mo 18.11.2024 09:16:03
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 18:05:09
The software #Mastodon is developed since 2016, yes. #Friendica for example since 2010. The #Fediverse started approx. in 2008.
But this isn't the story of a company with a large budget or venture capital.
So difficult to compare.
Btw.: I see on eicker.tv, that you mention #YouTube, #TikTok, #LinkedIn, #Telegram, #Instagram, #Facebook. Not a single #Fediverse platform.
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 18:23:24
@nick @sl007 Maybe that’s exactly the problem? Without small and large companies, the internet might also have become an irrelevant niche in the media landscape.
Besides: So far, the Fediverse hasn’t really supported vertical short videos. I’m participating in the TestFlight for Loops and am curious to see where it leads.
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 19:48:04
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 19:57:42
@nick @sl007 In 1994, I had internet access for the very first time. Great spirit, but not very sophisticated.
It only became truly exciting — even for the vast majority of people who had ignored it before — with the vast amount of money from VCs and corporations.
Spirit is nice, but probably not enough for most people?
Loops’ public beta has only just begun; and indeed, it’s from Pixelfed. But as far as I understand, it’s not based on ActivityPub yet.
