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James Gleick

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:09:42

Warning, travelers! A certain rogue nation, openly contemptuous of international law, has begun randomly snatching up visitors with legitimate passports and visas and confining them incommunicado in detention camps. No legal process applies.

kpbs.org/news/border-immigrati

Asbestos

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:12:37

@gleick
But someone *thinks* she might be going to work when she is on a tourist visa. Kind of like what Musk actually did

JanPV

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:18:23

@gleick It's going to get much, much worse. Travel to the US is very much ill-advised for the foreseeable future.

Darwin Woodka

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:25:43

@gleick this story was just sickening

Cynthia

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:30:04

@gleick
We need some vigilantes.

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Rob

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:38:23

@gleick I’m gonna keep hollering that this isn’t a little bit new for US immigration until I’m confident that people won’t believe the problem is fixed should a dem administration get back in office

social.wub.site/@simrob/114093

Eh?!?

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:35:48

@simrob @gleick
And how is this helping right now?

James Gleick

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:35:13

@simrob Stop your hollering. Of course “the problem,” if you define it broadly enough, isn’t new. But only a fool can be oblivious to the differences between Dems and Trumpists on immigration and on racism.

Rob

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 23:31:47

@gleick I promise you that you are 100% only hearing about this German woman because she’s white. she’s done as much wrong as half the people who Trump has disappeared to Guantanamo, which is to say basically nothing. The fact that we’re talking about one of these things today is gross.

reiterator

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:43:28

@gleick hey Elon I found the waste and abuse

Hot Dog Water, NotZee Squasher

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:50:01

@gleick

*snip*
“After nine days, she says she started freaking out and punching the walls,” Lofving said. “There was blood everywhere.”

This is vacation in America now.
It'd be a great time to kill Disney and ehatever else we got by staying the fuck away and safe in any other nation that isn't one big roach trap.

ity

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 18:50:07

Uspol

CodieneC

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 19:08:58

@gleick You couldn't pay me enough to visit the USA ever again.

Along those same lines I'm beginning to believe that Canada needs to consider stationing troops to the border to help prevent American incursion into our country.

red_rooster :coolified:

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 19:56:16

@gleick

.... and it is not

Kathleen-VA_Kay

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:46:51

@red_rooster @gleick

...and it is not ...yet

Celeste Ryder 🐾 🐀🏳️‍🌈

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 19:58:31

@gleick And if I needed even more reasons to not set foot in the US, this is it! Rule of law, schmule of law!

Mix Mistress Alice💄

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:11:39

@gleick Pardon me Sir, but what are you doing in the USA with a South African -and- a Canadian passport?

Jen C, MPH :verified:

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:13:34

@gleick “CBP agents at the border accused Brösche of planning to violate the terms of the visa waiver program by intending to work as a tattoo artist during her trip to LA, Lofving said.”

This is absurd. They are also holding her past the time of her return flight (mid-February).

Florian

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:14:26

uhh ... clearly just one example from one source but as someone who's flown to the US multiple times over the last few years that's a little frightening to read

My camera shoots fascists

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:18:30

@gleick

This is not new. They've been doing this for a while.

Spectacus 🟥

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:34:33

@gleick Is the time getting ripe for the national flags to be replaced by the red flag - in the footsteps of Albert Einstein? 🤔 🟥

monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/w

Cabbidges

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:42:04

@gleick
Our family Trumper has moved from Florida to Ireland, so I personally don't need to go anywhere near the US ever, for which I am duly grateful. Past visits were also not very enticing anyway.
It's notable that a Trumper would rather live in the EU than in Florida.

rludovicus

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 20:49:51

@TheDailyBurble @gleick

and rather in rainy (BEAUTIFUL) Ireland than in sunny (but by times QUITE WINDY) Florida.

Roy -- the dull one

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:14:50

@gleick

So, if some halfwit worries that maybe you are thinking of violating some rule of civil law, possibly, in the future, somehow, then it's okay to throw you in prison without an attorney and with no chance to contact your family or friends? And to start billing American taxpayers at an exorbitant rate for your confinement ?

Is this different in any significant way from Russia and Iran grabbing innocent foreign visitors to use them as currency for "diplomatic exchanges"?

Tariq

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:33:32

@oldclumsy_nowmad @gleick

Iran?

Sure they arrest spies, but not innocent civilians. That's a stereotype promoted by the US Empire.

Israel on the other hand has thousands of hostages. Including children. Many held for years without charge or trial. Some tortured.

Now why don't we use "Israel" when referring to rogue states?

VoordeMus 🍋 🌻🐝🌳

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:27:42

@gleick

This is a terrible story. And means Europese countries, and others, should also snatch American to exchange for their citizens. There should be a red warning for the USA as very dangerous country without human rights.

Carolyn

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:31:59

@gleick Was only a matter of time. Thank goodness this person is known, as I could see many not being able to let folk know where they are.

𝙳𝚊𝚒𝚕𝚢 𝙵𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚠𝚛𝚊𝚙

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:48:20

@gleick

Incarceration for profit. New clients from unwary foreigners.

Arbres

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:51:23

@gleick This is the first time I have heard of this story.
I hope she and her family sue the crap out of the United States and Core Civic.
No

Brad Lazaruk :coffeev:  :mstdneh:

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:53:57

@gleick During the Biden era I blew a job interview by refusing to commit to business trips into the US, which I referred to as a far too dangerous a country for me to be expected to travel to.
Being "disappeared" by eager border agents under the cover of security was my primary concern. Now here it is, happening. Either as policy or not its terrifying and disgusting and no one should travel to the US any more than they would travel to North Korea.

DEDGirl

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:54:49

@gleick Maybe Los Angeles should sue for all the money they are investing in the Olympics since only a handful of americans will be able to safely attend. 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Bowreality

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 21:54:53

@gleick @dyckron I am not stepping a foot into this country. I already told my employer I won’t go for work either. They can fire me over this if they want.

PaulNickson 🕊️

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 22:16:53

@gleick @Lazarou Well that’s the end of the US tourist industry. Has Musk sacked them yet because he might as well?

Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 22:18:42

@PaulNickson @gleick they are laying off many Parks and Rec people so the assault on Tourism has already begun.
Almost like he's a Russian asset who has been told to destroy America, isn't it?

PaulNickson 🕊️

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 22:20:09

@Lazarou @gleick Yep. This is actually the intention. Give it a couple of years and all America will be is a bunch of strange, expensive looking bunkers and tumbleweed.

Al

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 22:59:13

@gleick
The answer to "...Why are American taxpayers spending thousands of dollars detaining tourists who are perfectly willing to leave,” she..."
Is in the same article. Its a private corp running a for profit prison.

jb

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 23:05:18

@gleick The ugly thing is they’re claiming she was coming in to the U.S. to do work, which would be a violation of her visit under the Visa Waiver Program. The assumption by the CBP official is that she was going to (not had, not did, but will and intends to) violate the terms of the VWP is wild to me. That’s way beyond reasonable assumption, by anyone. And she’s from a friendly country, and can’t even speak with the consulate?

The story gets more horrible the more you think about it.

Gilgwath

Föderation EN So 02.03.2025 23:21:46

@gleick This was a possibility for a very long time. People used to tell me I'm bonkers paraniod when I told them that this is one of the chief reasons why I don' travle to the US. I was always told that this all theoretical and would never happent to random people. I hate when I'm right in ghe end 😔