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· Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 20:40:26

@blaine @evan @darius part of this is that programming, like a lot of other things, has the property that if you get good at it, the scope and complexity of your ideas for what to do with it grow

you also find out that growing and maintaining programs is a different sort of problem that writing the first draft

you also find out that a lot of the effort of making software is not in writing code, it's in thinking and talking to other people about it

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 20:47:44

@jcoglan @blaine @evan agreed. there's a reason I picked "verbal persuasion" as my example of a thing that should be seen as every bit as magical as genAI

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 20:52:29

@darius @jcoglan @evan totally, strong agreement from me.

I'm not a very good programmer in the sense of making types line up and typing the text for functions, but I'm alright at other bits.

The LLMs are transformative for the former, but they're still comically bad at the latter. Which is fun, because now I'm a pretty good rust programmer! 😂

But it's honestly more of a "I have a stutter that makes verbal persuasion hard for dumb reasons" sort of assistance.

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 20:56:24

@darius @jcoglan @evan _maybe_ there are a bunch of people who are really good at systems and product design and the sorts of things that and just need help getting over the "typing in code into a text editor" part, but my intuition and experience working with many very smart people suggests to me that that's unlikely.

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 21:03:11

@blaine @darius @evan right, product development does not consist of someone having an idea and giving the blueprints to a developer, it is conversational and both parties push it in different directions, can both tell each other they're solving the XY problem, etc

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 21:34:33

@jcoglan @blaine @darius I guess I feel like it's a call to action for making our technology more hackable. More macro languages, more visual programming, more Greasemonkey, more Yahoo! Pipes and IFTTT. Less learn-to-code, more learn-to-be-coded.

Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 21:54:31

@evan @jcoglan @darius yes! It's e.g. notable that (at least the last time I looked) Mastodon totally lacks a plugin system (front- or back-end, much less an "ActivityPub filter proxy"); such a thing would be amazing for the sort of play and experimentation you're pointing to.

@geoffreylitt has been doing a ton of work in the direction you're pointing, in case you haven't come across his work already!