Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 01:57:26 Welcome to a new browser! > Ladybird uses a brand new engine based on web standards, without borrowing any code from other browsers. It started as a humble HTML viewer for the SerenityOS hobby project, but since then it's grown into a full cross-platform browser project supporting Linux, macOS, and other Unix-like systems. — https://ladybird.org/announcement.html This is good for the Web! |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 02:28:11 |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 08:08:29 @QuadRadical @karlcow @servo ladybird isn't new, it started within serenityOS more or less at the same time as servo. It was probably too small at the time to be noticed or too much alpha state to be a usable part of the project. So now we get more diversity and if someone builds a front for servo we'll get one more browser :) |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 03:20:34 This looks really cool. E-commerce is fine and dandy, but some aspects of the digital public sphere really should be nonprofits or public commons of some sort in order to align with the needs of users. Browsers, search, social media, maps, scientific publishers...lots more. |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 04:19:13 @karlcow I have only one question: will it work with uBlock Origin? Everything else is negotiable |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 17:49:48 @etherdiver @karlcow This! |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 04:32:50 @karlcow and it's written in a modern, memory-safe language, right? right? |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 05:51:57 @gormster "Ladybird started as a component of the SerenityOS hobby project, which only allows C++. […] we have almost half a million lines of modern C++ to maintain. However, now that Ladybird has forked […] all constraints previously imposed by SerenityOS are no longer in effect. We are actively evaluating a number of alternatives […] prototypes exist in multiple languages." |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 08:10:01 |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 09:07:00 @gkrnours i don't think that helps with memory safety? |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 09:25:04 @gormster it's a defense in depth mechanism. If an attacker finds an exploit and tries to open a shell in an app that pledged to not open a shell, the kernel will refuse to open the shell. Browser can also pledge to not open files except in ~/.cache and same protection. |
Föderation · Di 02.07.2024 14:21:44 |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 06:11:21 @karlcow So much code! Qt/C++; nothing stays new very long, does it? I'll wait for a ground-up GTK/Rust browser.... Still, this IS good for the web! |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 07:19:30 @karlcow |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 07:40:33 @foxmask oui. J'espère qu'ils vont pouvoir décoller ce serait chouette d'avoir de nouveaux joueurs. |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 17:51:29 |
Föderation · Di 02.07.2024 08:02:40 Coming 2026...
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Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 08:18:24 @karlcow @1HommeAzerty oh wow! |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 08:35:45 @karlcow This is amazing. Having more web engines is always better for the web! |
Föderation EN Di 02.07.2024 09:12:17 @karlcow why do I get those vibes?! 😉 Medien: 1 |
Föderation EN Di 02.07.2024 09:40:44 @maxbob why? This is not a new standard. This is a new engine for implementing web standards. This is essential to the health of the Web. If anything, the diversity of browser engines helps the interoperability. It seems counter-intuitive. Right now, there are Blink, Gecko and WebKit only. Presto is dead. Trident is dead. EdgeHTML is dead. Without multiple engines, there is no need for interoperability and the winner takes it all. And it's where things start to go wrong. |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 09:25:29 @karlcow Damn, I still remember Andreas showcasing Ladybird with aliased font etc. as "Browser" in serenityOS. |
Föderation EN Di 02.07.2024 09:48:37 Right now, all I see is the Ladybird team openly *disrespecting* the "open web". |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 11:05:00 @karlcow Once ublock works there ... |
Föderation EN Di 02.07.2024 12:14:46 |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 12:41:54 @karlcow interesting development, I was trying it out just a few days ago |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 13:08:51 @karlcow But isn’t this old news? |
Föderation · Di 02.07.2024 14:17:54 This is the news for 2024-07-01, the core announcement inside the announcement post: In order to help us achieve this goal, we've created the Ladybird Browser Initiative, a US 501(c)(3) non-profit (tax-exempt status pending) to drive work on the browser and make it easier for supporters of all shapes & sizes to sponsor development.@frumble @karlcow |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 14:28:03 @karlcow Is the focus going to be on a new browser, or a new engine that can be re-used easily in other browsers/applications? |
Föderation FR Di 02.07.2024 15:19:17 @anneoneam you will have to ask them. I’m not part of their organization |
Föderation EN Di 02.07.2024 15:13:49 @karlcow This sounds really cool! thank you so much for sharing! I always enjoy checking out new browsers! |
Föderation EN Di 02.07.2024 15:29:19
notice how it doesn’t state that the company will remain like this, forever |
Föderation FR Fr 05.07.2024 06:38:52 @karlcow And the guy in charge of it thinks using gender-neutral language to describe users, rather than just assuming they're all male, is "personal politics". ☹ |
Föderation FR Fr 05.07.2024 06:58:03 @kagan yes I hope that now the project has been separated from serenityOS they will change this. But I would not hold my breath on it. That’s unfortunate. |