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· Föderation EN Mo 03.06.2024 11:55:58

@mozilla you do realize that incorrect alt-text can be worse than no alt-text? Sometimes critically so? I do hope this will be strictly opt-in and alt-texts generated by the model will be clearly marked, if this ever goes into stable Firefox

Baron Henrik von ICH KOMME

Föderation EN Mo 03.06.2024 12:20:17

@peacememories @mozilla

I guess one would still have the possibility to review the text before setting it.

Nickname

Föderation EN Mo 03.06.2024 12:24:16

@peacememories
From reading the first section of the article, I believe that it is meant for people using screen readers, if you use a screen reader I doubt that you take the pronunciation at face value as well. And now instead of the Screen reader reading "bla bla IMAGE bla bla" it will offer an alt text.
But yeah obviously a way to differentiate between existing and locally generated ALT texts would be good, with the option to prompt for a new local alt text etc.
@mozilla

Anreji :ablobcatheart: :verified_neko:

Föderation EN Mo 03.06.2024 15:01:30

@peacememories @mozilla iOS and Android have been using similar models for quite some time and the descriptions have been proven useful. Firefox isn't reinventing the wheel here, they are matching what the industry has already been doing for years. Blind and visually impaired people rely on AI generated alt text all the time already. Of course human provided alt text is preferred, but in the grand scheme of the internet it is still really rare, despite decades of education regarding the topic :/

peacememories

Föderation EN Di 04.06.2024 09:27:42

@anreji @mozilla I see similar problems with what Apple and Google are doing, but I had higher expectations of Mozilla.
Let's recap: We have (hopefully) by now realized that text synthesis tools have no guaranteed accuracy. But the text they generate is in the style of an expert, because that's what they're trained on. So all indicators for a reader point to this generated alt-text being hand-generated and trustworthy.

F4GRX Sébastien

Föderation EN Mo 03.06.2024 17:03:55

@peacememories @mozilla no they dont. They just want ai everywhere.

Devin Prater :blind:

Föderation EN Di 04.06.2024 15:59:28

@peacememories @mozilla This I agree with. It should be marked as AI generated.