· Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 17:04:33 @Andromxda so you agree, and that was not correct. many systems address net privacy and metadata protection, not just leave it for the user to contend with. |
Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 17:07:48 @zeh No, what I'm saying is that neither Briar, Cwtch nor Session actually solved the issue, they just mitigated it by using some form of a mixnet. You can do the same on Signal, but it will make the UX a lot worse. There's a reason why not everybody is using Tails OS or the Tor Browser. Sure, it solves the network privacy issue, but the UX sucks. |
Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 17:12:11 @Andromxda they addressed the issue by using tor underneath. the users won't have to do it by themselves, contrary to your claim. in any case, my argument was about centralisation and the very serious problems it brings in. |
Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 17:51:22
This is not true. I never disputed that Briar, Cwtch and Session route the traffic through mixnets by default.
Not a unique advantage of SimpleX, you can also route Signal through Tor just fine. The exact same article you linked to also notes that:
Signal provides top-notch cryptography, great usability, as well as a large userbase. Network-level privacy is each user's own responsibility. Imagine if every single app on your phone that makes network connections had its own VPN/mixnet client. The UX and battery life would be horrendously bad. This is exactly why all modern operating systems offer an API that makes it easily to globally connect to a VPN. Some VPN clients even allow you to only route specific apps through the tunnel, if that is what you desire. Commercial VPN services are becoming more and more popular, and almost every user has at least heard of them. Most people just don't use one, because they simply don't need it. The situation is very different in countries with heavy internet censorship like China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. |
Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 18:14:04 @Andromxda you are trying to minimize the importance of centralisation and metadata protection. i think it should be clear that everyone needs it, especially in these times of rising fascism, and that it should be part of secure messaging systems. you don't. ok. |