Föderation EN Fr 02.08.2024 20:20:25 @mekkaokereke @ddritter See that third option below, "Followers only"? Someone with a bunch of racist followers could reply with racist abuse and only the victim and the racists see it. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation · Fr 02.08.2024 23:16:56 And, there's another insidious way the problem comes up. Instance admins and moderators can "limit" another instance , as an alternative to defederating an instance which has some racists but also a lot of people who aren't racist (like mastodon.social for example). Limiting an instance means that you don't get notified when tagged in a reply from that instance (and a few other things). That's good for avoiding harassing notifications ... but is also a way that the situation Mekka describes can come up even with public and unlisted posts. |
Föderation EN Sa 03.08.2024 00:09:30 @ColesStreetPothole @mekkaokereke @ddritter @benroyce if that's the behaviour it's also misnamed. Followers only should *mean* followers only. i want to think it's a bug. because it's mis-named, as if the mismatch between name and function isn't deliberate. Maybe submit it as a simple bug report on that basis. 😅 |
Föderation EN Sa 03.08.2024 00:16:54 @StrangeNoises @ColesStreetPothole @mekkaokereke @ddritter it's because the person replied to is mentioned in the post. if you're mentioned, you can see any post, no matter how marked |
Föderation EN Sa 03.08.2024 00:32:23 @benroyce @StrangeNoises @mekkaokereke @ddritter Yep, person replied to sees it, and all the replier's followers. In a nice world, that's a nice feature, but we don't live in a nice world. |
Föderation EN Sa 03.08.2024 04:04:50 @ColesStreetPothole @benroyce @StrangeNoises @mekkaokereke @ddritter this is a prime example of the folks creating a feature failing to ask the all-important question, "WW4D?" (i.e. "what would 4chan do with this?") Because in retrospect it's an extremely obvious avenue for abuse, and anyone who was thinking about exploitability would have seen it immediately. |
Föderation EN Sa 03.08.2024 06:27:26 @tess @ColesStreetPothole @benroyce @StrangeNoises @mekkaokereke @ddritter I’m not sure I see the problem lying with the feature itself. The moderation goal has to be that a) Mekka doesn’t receive such a post in the first place and b) if he does that content is immediately removed and that person removed from the network. Lot’s of people seeing the racist content doesn’t seem intrinsically desirable and it feels like a system failure if it’s necessary —> |
Föderation EN Sa 03.08.2024 09:51:39 @tess disclaimer: I am not trying to minimize the issue or excuse anything. @ColesStreetPothole @benroyce @StrangeNoises @mekkaokereke @ddritter |
Föderation EN Sa 03.08.2024 09:55:12 @tess and I must assure you that (at least in the last 18 months, cant know before I started) safety is thought about for every feature, and lany things are dropped because we fail to find a way to prevent abuse. And sometimes we think we did good, then someone find a way to abuse it somehow, and we get back to the drawing board. But we care, a lot. @ColesStreetPothole @benroyce @StrangeNoises @mekkaokereke @ddritter |