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Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 20:59:17

There is no algorithm on here. You are free to like and share and interact with whatever you want, it won't affect what appears in your timeline.

The only things in your timeline are all the posts from all the accounts and hashtags and groups you've followed. That's it, it's as simple as that. You control your timeline, there isn't any content being pushed at you or hidden from you or promoted by anyone.

Lots more info and questions answered about this at fedi.tips/does-mastodon-and-th

Cassandra

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:02:30

@FediTips A nice liโ€™l explainer, @jonnyarsenic

Célian Godefroid

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:14:59

@FediTips Not sure I totally agree with this : there ARE algorithms on Mastodon, it can't be otherwise. Feeds are sorted chronologically -- that's algorithm. Trends show messages based on popularity, interactions -- again, algorithms do that. But the difference is on the purpose of these algorithms : they are open source, transparent on how they work, and don't have a malicious purpose. It's human-centered algorithms.

@renchap explained it here (in French, 1h14'27") : video.davduf.net/w/dg7QDT5aqA2

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:16:53

@CelianGodefroid

I address this in the article, tl:dr - that's not what most people mean by the word "algorithm".

Most people who say "algorithm" mean the mysterious black box code that messes up people's timelines without them asking it to. Whatever the technical definition, this is what most people mean by the word "algorithm", especially the non-technical audience I am trying to reach with this account.

Rin/Mari Clarity

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:25:02

@CelianGodefroid @FediTips "Explore" is also "algorithm"

Optional, but it is "algorithmic" nonetheless

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:37:08

@rinmari @CelianGodefroid

The Explore section is a list of the most shared recent posts, it's not quite the same thing as someone's home timeline being messed up because they liked the "wrong" thing.

This thread is mainly aimed at non-technical people who are too scared to like or share something in case it changes what they see in their timelines. This is what happens on many algo-driven commercial social networks now, and I'm trying to reassure people it doesn't happen on the Fediverse ๐Ÿ™‚

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:18:53

@katception

Either you're following the hashtag or someone you follow shared my post. There is no other way I can end up in your timeline.

Alm

Föderation DE Mo 24.02.2025 21:19:28

@FediTips yes, you are right and I do like Mastodon because this is exactly how it works. However, one could say that this actually _is_ an algorithm โ€” an easy, transparent, and understandable algorithm, right?

Fedi.Tips

Föderation DE Mo 24.02.2025 21:20:39

@docalm

I address this in the article, tl:dr - most people who use the word "algorithm" mean the mysterious black box code which messes up their timelines in unpredictable and unwanted ways.

My account and site is mainly aimed at a general non-technical audience, so I'm using vocabulary in a non-technical way.

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:40:06

p.s. Just to clarify, this post is mainly aimed at people who are nervous of liking or sharing the wrong thing in case it messes up what is served to them on their timeline (which is what happens on Twitter, Facebook etc).

I am trying to reassure them that this DOESN'T happen on the Fediverse.

I'm not trying to change the technical defintion of "algorithm", I'm just using that word in the sense that most non-technical people use it, to mean annoying opaque code that messes with timelines ๐Ÿ™‚

I Thought I Saw A 2 :donor:

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:48:31

@FediTips The lack of algorithm is awesome. Mastodon is the first social media I ever used because I didn't want to see promoted crap I didn't care about. Now I just see what I am interested in.

Halibut ๐ŸŸ

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 23:05:51

@FediTips It's pretty crazy that showing what you subscribed too, no more, no less, is now a feature that needs to be explained. :shibathinking:

Thank you doing it, and helping people joining the fediverse.

Djembro, RO, supports ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ช

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 06:12:18

@FediTips
I tell folks, โ€œYou are your own algorithm. What you follow is what you see โ€” no more, no less.โ€

iideacocarl

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:56:38

@FediTips As a pleasant side effect, generally when I open Mastodon, it is on whatever I last viewed. I like that.

Visa Uotila

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 22:29:13

@FediTips This is one of the reasons Iโ€™d like to see public service departments post more on Mastodon. They argue that they need to be where the audience is.

But do they consider that on platforms like Facebook or Instagram their posts might simply not show up? Does it matter that the audience is there if you canโ€™t reach them?

Itโ€™s not problematic only for the institutions but the society as a whole.

Androcat

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 09:02:15

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:04:09

@androcat @electric_visa

Government departments & public services should probably also have to provide RSS (or similar) feeds that can be easily fed into any internet platform. That would futureproof their ability to provide info no matter what happens in the online world, and give citizens freedom to choose any online social platform.

Visa Uotila

Föderation EN Mi 26.02.2025 08:32:33

@FediTips @androcat That's a good point. I had to check and my hometown's website has had an RSS feed set up for their front page news for over 20 years.

It's a technology I often forget exists.

Croutons for breakfast ๐ŸŒฎ

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 22:31:17

@FediTips
> there isn't any content being ... hidden from you

Not true.
I have accounts on different instances and they don't offer me the exact same fediverse.
That's fine. And I understand why. It's just confusing for new folks.

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:14:39

@crosswalk

That's usually because different instances notice different sets of accounts, depending on whether their members have followed them etc. They're not hiding something from you, they just haven't noticed it. ๐Ÿ™‚

The exception would be if an instance blocks another instance, but that's more of a moderation thing than an algorithm type thing?

Croutons for breakfast ๐ŸŒฎ

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:48:54

@FediTips
I agree.
It just gets interesting when I try to describe that to someone who asks about mastodon.
I guess I should just lean into the 'no algorithms' to not scare them off.

Tim Richards

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 22:45:40

@FediTips Let it always be so. I hate meddling algorithms.

Voxel

Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 23:19:04

@FediTips What about @loops For You page? Will that have some kind of algorithm behind it?

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:11:34

@voxel @loops

I don't think Loops is part of the Fediverse yet as it's not federating yet?

Voxel

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 23:34:45

@FediTips @loops That's true, but many people already consider it as an part of it and I'm interested regarding this

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Mi 26.02.2025 18:23:53

@voxel @loops

I know, but until it federates I can't cover it, sorry!

Paul Shanfield

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 03:26:50

@FediTips I accept that chronological order does not count as an "algorithm" but my feed is clearly not in chronological order. (The ages of posts are clearly displayed.)

Octavia con Amore :pink_moon_and_stars:

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 03:35:37

@pshan @FediTips the only things out of post-chronological order is going to be boosts by people you follow, and the timing of the boost is what is used when placing it chronologically in your feed :zerotwo_shrug:

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:10:17

@OctaviaConAmore @pshan

Yeah, boosts will appear at the moment they are boosted rather than when they were originally written. So... it's chronological from the point of view of the accounts you are following, if that makes sense ๐Ÿ™‚

Non-boosted posts should be appearing in chronological order, are they not doing that on your timeline? (By the way, sometimes if a server has technical problems this can happen as it gets behind on timelines.)

Paul Shanfield

Föderation EN Mi 26.02.2025 16:05:29

@FediTips @OctaviaConAmore Yes, that makes sense now. Thanks