Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 20:59:17 There is no algorithm on here. You are free to like and share and interact with whatever you want, it won't affect what appears in your timeline. The only things in your timeline are all the posts from all the accounts and hashtags and groups you've followed. That's it, it's as simple as that. You control your timeline, there isn't any content being pushed at you or hidden from you or promoted by anyone. Lots more info and questions answered about this at https://fedi.tips/does-mastodon-and-the-fediverse-use-algorithms-does-it-start-pushing-stuff-at-me-based-on-my-interactions |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:02:30 @FediTips A nice liโl explainer, @jonnyarsenic |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:14:59 @FediTips Not sure I totally agree with this : there ARE algorithms on Mastodon, it can't be otherwise. Feeds are sorted chronologically -- that's algorithm. Trends show messages based on popularity, interactions -- again, algorithms do that. But the difference is on the purpose of these algorithms : they are open source, transparent on how they work, and don't have a malicious purpose. It's human-centered algorithms. @renchap explained it here (in French, 1h14'27") : https://video.davduf.net/w/dg7QDT5aqA2utQksTT9e3B?start=1h14m27s |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:16:53 I address this in the article, tl:dr - that's not what most people mean by the word "algorithm". Most people who say "algorithm" mean the mysterious black box code that messes up people's timelines without them asking it to. Whatever the technical definition, this is what most people mean by the word "algorithm", especially the non-technical audience I am trying to reach with this account. |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:25:02 @CelianGodefroid @FediTips "Explore" is also "algorithm" Optional, but it is "algorithmic" nonetheless |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:37:08 The Explore section is a list of the most shared recent posts, it's not quite the same thing as someone's home timeline being messed up because they liked the "wrong" thing. This thread is mainly aimed at non-technical people who are too scared to like or share something in case it changes what they see in their timelines. This is what happens on many algo-driven commercial social networks now, and I'm trying to reassure people it doesn't happen on the Fediverse ๐ |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:16:25 |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:18:53 Either you're following the hashtag #FediTips or someone you follow shared my post. There is no other way I can end up in your timeline. |
Föderation DE Mo 24.02.2025 21:19:28 @FediTips yes, you are right and I do like Mastodon because this is exactly how it works. However, one could say that this actually _is_ an algorithm โ an easy, transparent, and understandable algorithm, right? |
Föderation DE Mo 24.02.2025 21:20:39 I address this in the article, tl:dr - most people who use the word "algorithm" mean the mysterious black box code which messes up their timelines in unpredictable and unwanted ways. My account and site is mainly aimed at a general non-technical audience, so I'm using vocabulary in a non-technical way. |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:40:06 p.s. Just to clarify, this post is mainly aimed at people who are nervous of liking or sharing the wrong thing in case it messes up what is served to them on their timeline (which is what happens on Twitter, Facebook etc). I am trying to reassure them that this DOESN'T happen on the Fediverse. I'm not trying to change the technical defintion of "algorithm", I'm just using that word in the sense that most non-technical people use it, to mean annoying opaque code that messes with timelines ๐ |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:48:31 @FediTips The lack of algorithm is awesome. Mastodon is the first social media I ever used because I didn't want to see promoted crap I didn't care about. Now I just see what I am interested in. |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 23:05:51 @FediTips It's pretty crazy that showing what you subscribed too, no more, no less, is now a feature that needs to be explained. Thank you doing it, and helping people joining the fediverse. |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 06:12:18 @FediTips |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 21:56:38 @FediTips As a pleasant side effect, generally when I open Mastodon, it is on whatever I last viewed. I like that. |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 22:10:56 #Fediverse: You are your own #algorithm. |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 22:29:13 @FediTips This is one of the reasons Iโd like to see public service departments post more on Mastodon. They argue that they need to be where the audience is. But do they consider that on platforms like Facebook or Instagram their posts might simply not show up? Does it matter that the audience is there if you canโt reach them? Itโs not problematic only for the institutions but the society as a whole. |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 09:02:15 |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:04:09 Government departments & public services should probably also have to provide RSS (or similar) feeds that can be easily fed into any internet platform. That would futureproof their ability to provide info no matter what happens in the online world, and give citizens freedom to choose any online social platform. |
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Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 22:31:17 @FediTips Not true. |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:14:39 That's usually because different instances notice different sets of accounts, depending on whether their members have followed them etc. They're not hiding something from you, they just haven't noticed it. ๐ The exception would be if an instance blocks another instance, but that's more of a moderation thing than an algorithm type thing? |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:48:54 @FediTips |
Föderation EN Mo 24.02.2025 22:45:40 @FediTips Let it always be so. I hate meddling algorithms. |
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Föderation EN Mi 26.02.2025 18:23:53 |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 01:52:30 @FediTips @Chrisblueeyes FYI. Good info for you! |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 03:26:50 @FediTips I accept that chronological order does not count as an "algorithm" but my feed is clearly not in chronological order. (The ages of posts are clearly displayed.) |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 03:35:37 |
Föderation EN Di 25.02.2025 22:10:17 Yeah, boosts will appear at the moment they are boosted rather than when they were originally written. So... it's chronological from the point of view of the accounts you are following, if that makes sense ๐ Non-boosted posts should be appearing in chronological order, are they not doing that on your timeline? (By the way, sometimes if a server has technical problems this can happen as it gets behind on timelines.) |
Föderation EN Mi 26.02.2025 16:05:29 @FediTips @OctaviaConAmore Yes, that makes sense now. Thanks |