Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 16:50:33 I'm really loving how Mastodon has become a refuge for all the grizzled seafarers on the ocean of the internet. They pop up in my feed and their bios all say something like "I've been online for longer than the internet. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. 56k modems on fire in the light of Usenet. I watched IRC forks glitter in the dark near the Gateway 3000. All those moments will be lost in slop, like tears in rain. Time to deshittify." |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 17:36:03 Unless those refugees are Jews, then it's basically like being on Twitter or Facebook circa 2017. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:22:22 @serge I initially had a harsher response to this, then I went through your feed, and I'll instead simply say this: I get where you're coming from, but your post was extremely off-topic, and I think is more likely to cost than gain you allies. You can agree or not agree with how Mastodon has a disproportionate number of grizzled tech veterans, but I don't think that's the right context to bring Zionism into the chat. And if you were actually around in 2017? Honestly, I'd *take* 2017 Twitter or Facebook over 2025 *anything*. So I'm not even entirely sure what your point was |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:25:14 I'm pointing out that there's a high degree of antisemitism on the Fediverse. I didn't bring up Zionism. I talked about antisemitism, and I can assure you that there's plenty of antisemitism thrown at Jews who have either never expressed an opinion on Zionism, or who have expressed anti-Zionist views. I was on Twitter in ~2008/2009, so yeah I was on twitter in 2017. My point was that antisemitism and harassment of Jews was widespread then,. and that's about the level that the Fediverse is now. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:26:40 @serge Antisemitism is extraordinarily not A-OK with me, but I can tell this is going to end up being a litmus discussion, so I'm gonna bow out at this point |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:32:19 |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 17:37:12 <fake Yorkshire accent> |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 17:47:15 @TheLancashireman Yeah, I've already had a mate saying "Pah! 2800 baud rate was all we had". I'm not actually sure how fast(slow) my first connection was, because after I finished my MA in 1991 I was offline for about 8 years and missed all the very slow bits! |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 17:58:23 2800 baud, you speed freak 1200\75 BBC Micro Prestel was my first online experience. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:35:37 @Mark62 @Janeishly @TheLancashireman if weβre comparing, my 110/300bps acoustic coupler wants itβs hat π© thrown into the ring. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:11:55 @Janeishly @TheLancashireman I started at 300 baud. I can still picture the Tandy/Radio Shack modem. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:26:03 @shawnhooper @Janeishly @TheLancashireman |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:33:54 @katrinakatrinka @Janeishly @TheLancashireman No, youβd dial the phone and then when you heard it pick up, youβd press a big red button on the modem and hang up the phone. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:51:41 @shawnhooper @Janeishly @TheLancashireman This is the one I was remembering, btw. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:38:26 @katrinakatrinka @shawnhooper @Janeishly @TheLancashireman yeah, Iβve got one of theseβ¦ was my first modem. Iβve even kept a leased USWest rotary phone so I have a legit handset π for using it if the opportunity arises. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:13:18 @katrinakatrinka those were acoustic couplers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_coupler |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:11:28 @shawnhooper @Janeishly @TheLancashireman I so wished I had a modem in those days. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:36:13 @shawnhooper @Janeishly @TheLancashireman I had this here as my first device to the online world. But even had the authorization of the German Federal Post Office (at that time also called the yellow plague) the story behind my regular mailbox (bbs), which I visited regularly at the beginning: (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:11:49 @shawnhooper those 56k hippie youngsters need to get off our lawn dammit! |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:12:46 @shawnhooper @Janeishly @TheLancashireman same, and I still hear the music in my head to some games I played on the Commodore 64 |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:30:04 @Janeishly @TheLancashireman Honestly, I was jealous you had a Gateway 3000. All I had access to was a Gateway 2000. π |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:44:42 @vertigo @TheLancashireman Ha, I didn't - I just thought it fitted with the quote! |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:42:02 @Janeishly @TheLancashireman You mean 2400? But I actually used an acoustic coupler at 300 bps. I know the reason for line oriented editors. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:09:44 @TheLancashireman @Janeishly Modems?!? Why, when I was a lad, we had two cups and string and we liked it! π |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:54:57 @moelassus @TheLancashireman @Janeishly |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:10:54 |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:17:43 @Janeishly 300 baud ftw. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:03:06 @tony My first one actually did because I was offline between university and buying my first computer several years later! |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:35:29 @Janeishly |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:04:04 @PizzaDemon That's one of the things that really bugs me about enshittification. I used to *recommend* HP products. That makes me feel rather ill now. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:33:05 @Janeishly @PizzaDemon And...now... |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:43:42 @Oggie @PizzaDemon Exactly! The printers! So good! Meanwhile my laptop before this one was an HP because there were no suitable Asuses (Asusii??) when I came to buy one. When it got stolen from my car I was annoyed, because expense, and hammering a new Windows machine into shape always takes about a fortnight, BUT I was also sniggering at the fact that someone was now trying to use my piece of shit HP machine that had been crap since I bought it. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:55:31 @Janeishly @PizzaDemon But i'm sorry you lost the laptop if only because it IS such a pain to set it all up again |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:59:30 @Oggie @PizzaDemon Yeah, it was a bit of a gut punch at the time, but fortunately I have a bunch of spare former laptops knocking around (probably like the rest of the seafarers) and a good backup, so I was up and working again after a couple of hours. New laptop arrived a few days later (Asus β I learned that particular lesson) and overall it was a positive experience. (Could have done without a sudden and unexpected massive car repair two weeks later, but hey ho.) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 18:57:35 @Janeishly Yeah, but did those filthy casuals ever use Prestel? |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:01:25 @Janeishly ππ€£π |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:09:39 @Janeishly That's not the list of things a real old timer on the Internet would bring up. We would talk of goats from Christmas Island, girls hanging out in tubs, and the sharing of cups. That is, we would...if the filters didn't instantly block such conversations. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:21:59 @Janeishly usenet? |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:29:26 @Janeishly those were the days (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:41:02 @rogerggbr @Janeishly ooh, memories β¦ whose (after this) had βdemon dialerβ as a feature? |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:38:59 @Janeishly All that, and finding a new BBS that was within your local calling area. Better yet finding out that a new ISP was in your town and they had much better service then your current ISP |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:46:01 @Janeishly Back before the Web... When the internet was Gopher, WAIS, Veronica, IRC, and Usenet. It was a hell of a time. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:21:14 @Lightfighter @Janeishly Usenet was not on the Internet then - not until it was bridged by InterNetNews in 1992 (after the Web). I remember Usenet discussions around 1987: "I've heard of this new thing called the Internet. What is it? Is it any good?" |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:25:17 @robinadams @Lightfighter I'm afraid I've got a very vague understanding of when the internet actually began as a thing, because I was using what I now *think* of as the internet in 1989 (it was actually JANET) to play MUD. I had another couple of years of that until I finished my MA, and then an 8-ish year gap. By the time I got back it was definitely the internet. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:42:19 @Janeishly @Lightfighter Jan 1 1983 is usually the date named as the "birthday of the Internet", when ARPANET switched to using TCP/IP so it could share traffic with any other network using that protocol. Usenet started before then in 1980, spreading from BBS to BBS via dial-up users uploading and downloading the posts. The Web came later in 1989, using the Internet so you could click on a link in one document to jump to a document on a completely different machine. Before then to use the Internet, you had to know where the machine that had thing you wanted was, connect to it by FTP or Telnet, log in (the log in prompt would give you instructions, usually username "anonymous" and password your email address), read the "message of the day", and navigate through that machine's file system (this was how I first learned Unix commands). MUDs were big then. I spent a lot of time on MOOs (object-oriented MUDs where you could create your own items by coding their behaviour in an object-oriented language). Now get off my lawn you darn kids. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:43:37 @robinadams @Lightfighter @Janeishly umβ¦ what? Usenet and uucp were gen1 internet capabilities. Perhaps we have different definitions of βinternetβ, but bangpath-era internet WAS internet. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:05:03 @cascheranno @Lightfighter @Janeishly By Internet I mean the network that uses the Internet Protocol Suite and grew out of ARPANET. There were a few rival global networks in the 1980s, including the Internet, UUCPNET (which used bangpaths etc.), FidoNet and BITNET. The World Wide Web was the killer application that made the Internet much more popular than its rivals, most of which have died out. (Checked just now and happy that FidoNet still exists, but traffic on it is tiny compared to the Internet and compared to what it used to be.) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:47:55 @Janeishly there are non-grizzled out in the world somewhere?? |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:28:03 @monstreline I think the non-grizzled ones are still hoping Bluesky is going to work. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:45:20 @Janeishly @monstreline Booskie is like the endless September, and we snuck around it. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:54:40 I feel so seen. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 19:58:59 @Janeishly I like to remind people of the lil green on green chat boxes you'd plug into the phoneline from the 80s. Because that was a thing. xD And remembering when my parents upgraded from 14k to 56k and the computer not even know what the math to do with it. But also, BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBEEEEEEEE |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:12:49 @Janeishly It me. :) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:13:48 @Janeishly You can tell us from the others because, when we want you to be quiet, we simply write +++, and then wonder why it fails |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:15:33 @Janeishly Yay though I witnessed its birth, baby steps and adolescence, I yet hope to see it grow through to some semblance of maturity. Nice to meet your acquaintance. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:15:35 Christmas, 1979. I wore out my pong paddle and got an upgrade! (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:26:35 @danstark "The educator"! |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:16:45 @Janeishly <kerplunk> is the sound of some troll hitting the bottom of your usenet kill file. Simpler times. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:50:40 @obviousdwest @Janeishly I *miss* killfiles and blocking entire branches coming via bangpaths to stifle crap. Got an βwhy u block usβ email from a postmaster once, showed how a double-digit subset of my orgβs complaints came from domains they relayed. They fixed their shit. Wouldnβt that be cool now? |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:21:15 An AOL disk in the box every day. Only after you subscribe do you realise that "AOL" stands for "Always Off Line". |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:22:08 @Janeishly Went directly with a luxury fixed 64k ISDN (now how modern Android keyboards don't want to predict these 4 letters) line with a static IP as a business expense. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:23:05 @Janeishly I'd thought at first you meant actual seafarers (on boats, posting via LTE or satellite links), and I'm fairly sure there's *at least* 3-5 of those on here.. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:51:37 @vfrmedia Ha, I wouldn't be at all surprised! |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:11:04 @vfrmedia Donβt know about boats but ships, yes. When I retired we were using InMarisat for Company only email. I understand that today there may be some internet activity allowed but these connections were very expensive and coms were restricted. Maybe StarLink has changed the playing field. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:26:04 [Feels seen.] |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:28:31 @Janeishly 640k ought to be enough for anyone |
Föderation DE Do 27.03.2025 20:28:46 @Janeishly |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:29:42 @Janeishly Truth. I've been on these seas since 1986. Web? We had WAIS and gopher and telnet and pine and tin. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:29:55 @Janeishly |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:35:09 @Katzedecimal @Janeishly you were lucky to have a 1200 baud modem. There were 150 of us sharing a 110 baud modem. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:41:37 @Transportist |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:32:22 @Janeishly |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:32:50 @Janeishly thatβs a nice, poetic rework of the classic quote. Really hits the mood. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:33:21 @Janeishly I remember 56k modems. Impossibly advanced compared to the 2400baud modem I was using at the time to access fidonet. Science fiction stuff. You couldn't even whistle the handshake tones, it was so advanced. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:38:40 @Janeishly I remember the scream of the modem as it connected, usually to a BBS, but later the "information super highway". Mosaic was my first browser after I graduated from IRC. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:39:30 @Janeishly *has IRC client open* |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:40:17 @Janeishly I remember when they were still arguing about whether the top-level domain came first or last, so code just had to try it both ways to see which worked. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:40:34 @Janeishly |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:41:12 @Janeishly also grizzled seafarers on the ocean of the literal ocean @rek @neauoire |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:58:12 @smlavine @Janeishly @rek @neauoire Iβm one them, retired after 40 yrs at sea. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:42:03 @Janeishly 56k modems? That was a utopian dream. Weβre talking 14.4k when it started βfor me back in the good old daysβ π€£π€£π€£π± |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:43:14 @Janeishly arrrr |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:43:44 @Janeishly Home, home again π |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:44:00 @Janeishly I came here to reply "has the dial up stopped screaming, Clarice" but wowza the other reply was a wild way to hijack and recenter a conversation. |
Föderation · Do 27.03.2025 20:46:38 @Janeishly@mastodonapp.uk it took me two re-reads to parse this correctly with "grizzled seafarers" as a metaphor rather than literal, since i've encountered a handful of these types who are also literal seafarers |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:49:11 @Janeishly I should definitely do that. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:50:03 @Janeishly hey, my second job in IT was working for Gateway |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 20:52:20 We sit in a circle and start chanting the dialup sounds in rounds, and it all culminates in a unisoned 'You've Got Mail' at the end. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:01:21 @Janeishly @mira I feel like I literally just made the post you're talking about two days ago, including the blade runner reference. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:02:49 |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:03:31 @Janeishly @mira Oh for sure! I didn't mean to imply that. It's a tidal force, drawing us all to the same shore. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:08:35 |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:03:47 @Janeishly SLIP or PPP ? |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:05:36 @Janeishly never. As long as I live catastrophies are looking like this: ππ» (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:06:46 @Janeishly Mastodon really does feel like the last lighthouse for the internetβs old guard. The ones who remember when the web felt like an adventure, not an algorithmic prison |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:08:03 @Janeishly ... I have chatted with Eliza on various IRC channels in the late 1980s. Does that count? |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:08:18 @Janeishly 56k? 300 bayd which got upgraded to 1200/75. 4 times the bandwidth! Phoar! (Cue - get off the phone Andrew!) |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:09:03 "I fought in the great Usenet Wars, where the first trolls were forged, 2400 baud at a time. Where the groundwork for the first memes were laid -- primitive things of simple words, barely more than repeated jokes. Back when one truly could not fathom how someone as dumb as that managed to get onto the internet." |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:09:28 @Janeishly I feel seen. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 21:12:02 @Janeishly @da_667 May the Internet Oracle bless this post. Praise Bob- In the name of Kibo, fnord. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 23:44:57 @Janeishly I saw someone say something like "Facebook is where all the boomers and Gen Xers who need help with their computers live. The fedi is where all the boomers and Gen Xers who *designed and built* the damn computers live". |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 23:48:03 @ApostateEnglishman Aint that the truth. I just wish we'd weeded out the tossers who turned it all into this *gestures* back when we could. |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 23:52:21 @Janeishly An ex partner of mine once said you could explain the whole of life in three words "coulda woulda shoulda". We were on our third date. It was in that precise moment that I fell in love with her. π |
Föderation EN Do 27.03.2025 23:52:58 @ApostateEnglishman Seems perfectly reasonable! |
Föderation EN Sa 29.03.2025 01:50:47 @Janeishly @ApostateEnglishman The darkness is ever present. It is the job of those who choose it to strengthen the light. |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 00:53:19 @ApostateEnglishman @Janeishly this particular boomer is here because he helped build the networks that the internet and these applications relied on. |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 01:04:13 @leighc2 @Janeishly Late Gen Xer here (still in my 40s). I can't make such an impressive claim, but I was writing my own games in BASIC before I even hit my teens. I rewrote my version of Boulderdash in GFA for the Atari ST, then rewrote it again in QBasic on MS Dos. The Atari version worked the best, because the language had specific commands (such as BMOVE) for directly manipulating screen memory. Even uncompiled, it was playable. I also worked in IT for some years. Hated it, though... |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 05:01:38 @ApostateEnglishman @Janeishly I used to build computers for fun. I could tell a modem's connection speed by listening to it. I used to host regular LAN parties because I had networking equipment at home and the know-how to make it work. I gave up on Facebook 13 years ago. |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 05:08:42 These things happen. It's not a big deal. π§ (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 07:14:38 @ApostateEnglishman @Janeishly I am supposedly "Gen X" and I never felt ANY love for BookFace, and I certainly never had any need for help with my computer. Yes we designed and built the computers, long before the "tech bros" with their "design patterns" "CI/CD" "Agile" and "Sprints" came along |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 19:20:32 |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 20:02:29 @ApostateEnglishman @Janeishly nailed it |
Föderation EN Fr 28.03.2025 20:49:14 @ApostateEnglishman @Janeishly & on Bluesky, the people who disdain both groups |
Föderation EN Sa 29.03.2025 00:04:27 @ApostateEnglishman @Janeishly and maybe it's time we resurrect some of the original ideas and ideals. I remember saying to a colleague of mine back in the 90s that having companies on the internet was going to destroy it for everyone, because that's what capitalism leads to, and enshitification of everything. |
Föderation EN Sa 29.03.2025 02:03:42 |