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· Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:01:48 @arrrg @breadandcircuses the alternative is to use subpar local pears and build an entirely new factory, just to make it so the process is three days shorter and five times more expensive. I think capitalism has got it's benefits when it comes to maximising profits my friend... |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:01:21 @OmegaMastadon @breadandcircuses i agree that capitalism is very good at extracting wealth. if that's the gauge for what's a good and functioning economic system - capitalism for the win. and it's true, without capitalism, people might have to eat more local food rather than shipping pears in plastic cups all over the globe. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:03:31 @arrrg @breadandcircuses haha. Very funny. Let's not ignore that this is fermented pears, which wouldn't be present at all in America if it wasn't for the so-called capitalist system. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:06:06 @OmegaMastadon @breadandcircuses i don't know shit about pears. why would it matter if people have fermented pears or not? i don't get your point. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:10:09 @arrrg @breadandcircuses because the product is fermented. Fermented pears have small demand. Packing & producing is mainly done in southeast Asia, leading to the situation where it's grown it Argentina, packed in Thailand and sold in USA. this isn't just about pears |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:20:11 @OmegaMastadon first, the pears in that image are not fermented. Second, what difference does it make? Third, obviously it's bigger than pears, the OP was making a point about capitalism not pears. Are you new here? Are you OK? |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:21:17 @SallyStrange @OmegaMastadon @breadandcircuses and fwiw, you can grow pears in north america, i have a pear tree in my backyard, the squirrels love them. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:26:34 Oh yeah, missed that bit of weirdness. Yep there are pear trees all over N. America. They're not indigenous but then neither are apple trees. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:37:29 @SallyStrange the squirrels aren’t indigenous either. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:42:35 @arrrg nor is a lot of the grass that covers our lawns... So many things |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:52:41 @SallyStrange how beautiful this place must have been before colonization, it must have been just awe-inspiring. it still is in many places, despite being compromised. the only people who lived here loved the land and the animals and the trees before europeans came along and fucked it all up. what we call the united states of america is probably the world's largest crime scene. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:56:23 @arrrg I regularly am awestruck by the natural beauty around me, while also being aware that what I'm seeing must be a faded echo of what existed before |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:59:01 @arrrg @SallyStrange As true as it is sad, though the whole of Africa could probably give the Americas (South America had it very bad too) a run for the money |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:28:36 I try not to over-romanticize the first inhabitants of N. America, who probably hunted mastodons to extinction, burned forests to spread corn crops, had wars with each other, etc. But even so, it's nothing compared to what happened after 1492. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:10:59 @arrrg @SallyStrange Are they from Thailand or Argentina? I feel that the answer to this is somehow important. 😉 |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:23:57 @davidbcohen @arrrg uh Europe I thought |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:02:00 @SallyStrange @arrrg @breadandcircuses yes I'm new to mastadon and yes I know it's about capitalism. The issue is that it's a stupid argument, you can't have a factory for everything and a farm for everything, which global trade fixes, even if it leads to situations like this they usually are higher quality and cheaper as a result |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:04:55 @OmegaMastadon the argument is fine. What you're presenting in response is a fallacy, specifically the false dichotomy fallacy. There are options in between what the OP pointed out and "factories everywhere." Plus, it has not escaped our notice that you accept "maximizing profits" (for a tiny minority of the population) as a worthwhile goal for society in general to pursue. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:34:28 @SallyStrange @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Y'all are arguing with a bot - which may or may not be fermented... |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:48:29 @DWTSquawk7600 @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses well at least my argument is good |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:01:43 @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Actually, the better alternative is to have access to locally grown pears Same can be said for most staple consumer goods Global scale capitalism = same old oligopoly |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:17:20 @StrangeCulprits |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:20:56 @bhcompy @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Iceland called, they decided to be clever and grow things like bananas... In. Iceland. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:28:43 @StrangeCulprits @bhcompy @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Iceland has so much geothermal energy that heated greenhouses are easy and cheap. |
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Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:34:20 @jlargentaye Most places on Earth have geothermal access sufficient for local agricultural needs, which is cheap compared to the transnational shipping industrial complex |
