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Bread and Circuses

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 14:17:15

Two pie charts, one above the other. The top chart is labeled: How rich people get rich (according to rich people). The three segments of the top pie are labeled: 1) a can-do attitude, 2) hard work, 3) gumption. The bottom chart is labeled: How rich people get rich (for real). The bottom pie is split into two segments labeled: 1) merciless exploitation of the working class, and 2) birth lottery.

(Medien: 1)

ikanreed

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 14:33:58

@breadandcircuses I think a more historical perspective would include "steal land and murder the people living there"

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 16:18:13

@ikanreed @breadandcircuses And/or enslave them and treat them as a literal commodity.

Susan Ville

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 15:24:03

@breadandcircuses The printing money section is missing.

Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 16:22:02

@breadandcircuses I miss “greed” in the lower pie-chart.

J3RN :emacs: :haskell:

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 03:54:01

@forthy42 @breadandcircuses a different phrasing of the left side.

Buck ( Richard )

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 16:43:43

@breadandcircuses "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps"

Tim Bray

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 17:34:49

@breadandcircuses Probably a third or more of current wealth comes from financial speculation and gamesmanship.

Michael Wyman

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:33:30

@timbray @breadandcircuses that sorta falls under “merciless exploitation”, perhaps?

Tim Bray

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 22:33:42

@mwyman @breadandcircuses In downstream effects, and indirectly, sure. But the financialization of the economy and the entirely-underserved riches this throws off to lucky insiders is worth considering as a separate category of badness I think.

Linda Rose Smit

Föderation NL Sa 22.02.2025 17:41:11

@breadandcircuses read Steve Jobs biography. Then repost

benny

Föderation NL Sa 22.02.2025 18:55:57

@lindarosesmit @breadandcircuses Woz is the working class. Fits.

Ryan

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 22:42:31

@benny @lindarosesmit @breadandcircuses he’s a great example of why good people don’t become billionaires. He easily could have but he was too busy funding good causes like the EFF and local schools.

Murdoc Addams 🧛🏻:ri: 🇨🇦

Föderation NL Sa 22.02.2025 21:35:48

@lindarosesmit @breadandcircuses
No, he fits pretty well into the 'exploitation' category.

Ryan

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 22:36:35

@lindarosesmit @breadandcircuses he had a hell of a lot of luck on his side.

Toni Aittoniemi

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:09:20

@breadandcircuses It is in the attitude. If you look at people who succeed at the top, not too many of them are nice people. Ruthlessness and psychopathic traits are very good for you if you want to make it 🤔

rhempel

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:14:28

@breadandcircuses Top left quadrant is how ANYONE can get rich if you really want it. It's so much bull$&t and it's how the American Dream should work.

Those attributes worked well until you work at a job with a lousy or no healthcare plan, or if your employer picks up and moves to another state or country.

It's not enough anymore, and yes Virginia, the improvement of all of us will need to have some more of the rich pay their share, not in absolute numbers but as a percentage of net income.

A

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 18:53:14

@breadandcircuses of course the "birth lottery" just means that their ancestors mercilessly exploited the working class....

Painting_Squirrel

Föderation DE Sa 22.02.2025 20:08:27

@ScotInTraining @breadandcircuses
Isn't there something about how in the UK, how well off you are today is correlated to whether your ancestors came to Britain as part of William the Conqueror's, well, conquest?

A

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 20:24:48

@painting_squirrel @breadandcircuses that rings a bell, but can't remember where I read it.

Another interesting resource for historical wealth is ucl.ac.uk/lbs/search/

But it's quite harrowing as it details the compensation paid when slavery was abolished

Linknation

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:00:54

@breadandcircuses simple by owning "assets" = housing + charging rent

食 Shoku the MN Wolf

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 19:30:54

@breadandcircuses technology has made lives easier, just not ours.

Anonomouse13

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 02:27:19

@TheMNWolf @breadandcircuses

Yes.
We're all better off than serfs in 1186 because we have microwaves and frozen waffles. 🥴

Per labor historians, English serfs worked ~180 days a year because any more than that was seen as excessive and demeaning.

MugsysRapSheet 🔩🐑🐘

Föderation EN Sa 22.02.2025 21:05:33

@breadandcircuses
ALWAYS REMEMBER:

"" stands for "Don, Eric & Ivanka."

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Föderation · Sa 22.02.2025 21:50:47

Large state subsidizes (so help even from the poorest by taxes when they buy bread) to their companies is forgotten in the second part ;)

Luke

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 00:49:53

@breadandcircuses the “hard work” one always gets me; isn’t the person cleaning toilets working hard too?

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Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 06:46:05

@breadandcircuses The green half is the same as above; remove that one and replace it with "sheer luck"