@brendt Laravel as a framework has evolved in a good way.

The biz that Taylor is building only supports the core open source efforts, so even if you dont use Forge, Envoyer, Cloud or that other one, we all benefit.

While it's opinionated, they do tend to trend towards what most people use and want to do, so I have no problem with the direction.

And I have dozens of laravel projects, the biggest is https://pixelfed.org