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Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 08:34:53

Hierarchy of Needs

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Föderation · So 08.06.2025 08:35:24

@catsalad@infosec.exchange Well I have the bottom three covered (somehow)...

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 08:42:28

@catsalad Mazlov would be impressed! 🤣

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 09:10:37

@catsalad My two most basic needs are not met 😭

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 09:37:11

@catsalad Confluence. You forgot about Confluence.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 09:40:06

@catsalad I'd add there "not need to use customer service chatbots"

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 09:46:26

@catsalad

Agile methodology needs to be in there too!

Föderation · So 08.06.2025 09:49:26

@catsalad@infosec.exchange I've never used teams and have no idea what jira or salesforce are. Presumably, I should consider myself lucky?

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 10:16:25

@catsalad
SO true... 🤪🤣🧜‍♀️

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 10:25:51

@catsalad
Out of curiosity, what do you prefer over MS Team, Jira and Salesforce?

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:02:38

@Tronde I suppose Jira... Teams is worst for sure!

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:37:37

@Tronde @catsalad

Teams => @zulip
Jira => GitHub or GitLab although there is still much room for improvement

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 12:22:15

@stephane_klein
Oh, nice. I did not know zulip yet.

@catsalad @zulip

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 10:38:58

@catsalad Instead "Not having to use Teams" say "Not having to use products".

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 14:39:13

@ip6li @catsalad
This, since actually teams is not so bad except in privacy and security and source code availability. Before teams we used Cisco Jabber.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 10:39:10

@catsalad I am continually thankful that I rarely use Teams, Zoom or Meet. I never use Jira or Salesforce.

Föderation · So 08.06.2025 10:56:16

@catsalad@infosec.exchange Why is ServiceNow not on this list, i find ServiceNow so much more worse than Jira

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:06:15

@catsalad Jira can be ok if it is kept simple and well organized. But I'd avoid the other two if possible.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:15:26

@BeamMeOut Teams sucks the most, for sure.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:22:20

@catsalad @BeamMeOut

I don't really understand the Teams hate. It's like most MS products: it basically works and has a pile of annoying bugs. Chat, video calls, and so on basically work, and it's the only video calling app I've used that's actually good at sharing presentations in a way that works with accessibility tools and even just with different resolutions (due to some tight coupling between Teams and PowerPoint that probably should be subject to some antitrust scrutiny). Most of the alternatives to Teams are bad in different ways, some are bad in the same ways. It's significantly less bad for video calling than Zoom.

Outlook is far worse than Teams in almost every way (for example: after 30 years of people reporting that it can't properly quote emails in replies, it still can't properly quote emails in replies). Word and Excel are worse in many ways.

JIRA, in contrast, is a UI that is entirely designed to torture users. Everything is at least five clicks more than it would be in a good UI flow.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:48:01

@david_chisnall @catsalad Yes, Teams are great if you're fully in the MS ecosystem. Run Windows, use Office etc. Office people like it and often prefer to anything else (Zoom, Webex, Skype for Business etc.). If not, it's not that great.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:49:06

@BeamMeOut @david_chisnall Quite a pain from Linux and macOS, for sure...

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 12:56:10

@catsalad @BeamMeOut

I've not tried it on non-Android Linux but the Android, iOS, and macOS clients are all much better than the Windows one.

The Windows one prior to New Teams would peg my CPU at 100% quite often. The Mac one never did (even on a Mac that was five years older than the Surface).

Aside from the stupid text input box (which is common to a lot of Electron apps), the Mac version is fine. Drag and drop works in a bunch of places where it doesn't work on Windows, for example.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 14:22:24

@catsalad @BeamMeOut @david_chisnall Very much so. It rather feels actively hostile towards Linux

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 15:14:13

@BeamMeOut @david_chisnall @catsalad Work great, really?! I'm force to use that junk at work and for many colleagues and me, it just do random crash, freeze, hug CPU, hug memory, don't change the status when you change it and annoy you even more on W11 with notification, so define "work great", because for me, it's the plague .

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:24:28

@catsalad Jira > Azure DevOps

Föderation NL So 08.06.2025 11:26:55

@catsalad I'm fully aware that I might have Stockholm syndrome, but isn't the biggest issue with any of these basic needs that people just use them without agreeing on how to use them? Like traffic might have been at first, before we set out ground rules? Or am I now stirring an avalanche of replies that the systems need to be so good that 'they just work'? Because that also is the way some people like to have their work organised (or 'intuitively searchable')?

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:42:48

@annemartine @catsalad
My org told me I have to switch to slack, no further info.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:58:29

@annemartine @catsalad Traffic was better when we didn’t have the ground rule that it’s okay to hit a pedestrian just because they walk in the street. The same is true for issue tracking.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:36:01

@catsalad no one needs money.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:39:23

@simon_brooke Small price to pay for not having to use MS Teams.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 11:43:53

@catsalad You know you are priviledged when you do not need to list Excel VBA

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 12:13:46

@catsalad I have a shirt of the usual needs but the bottom says Internet. Which I agree with.

I am not a fan of teams either though. Just for one friend. It's worse than Skype. By a lot.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 12:39:37

@xexyl @catsalad

Yeah. fumbled the transition from to so that there was no way to set up a meeting that all our regular Monday group could attend. I took the opportunity to migrate to and leave American Big Tech behind.

I now use Jitsi for all video calls, not just the Monday one. It's not hard to get people to abandon Microsoft, at least for video calls. I wonder why.

meet.jit.si/

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:45:21

@CppGuy @catsalad glad it worked out for you. I wish I didn’t have to use it but it’s not a big deal to me. Fortunately it’s just for a long time mate of mine and nothing critical.

Best wishes!

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 12:20:01

@catsalad
Not having to use computer for non fun things.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:30:23

@catsalad not having to use Windows was omitted since its so obvious

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:33:26

@catsalad I’d put “not having to use salesforce” in the basic needs category tbh. Easily the worst excuse for a web-based case management system it has ever been my misfortune to have to use in 25+ years in the industry

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:45:41

@catsalad Add Notion into this and it's even more perfect.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:52:38

@catsalad Swap Jira for Asana and it's pretty much 100% for me 😂😂😂

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 13:56:08

@catsalad teams in a browser is bearable. at least compared to pretty much everything else from m$. i personally would have replaced the bottom tiers with "windows", "anything from faamg", "proprietary software".

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 14:03:29

@catsalad not having to use LLMs is missing.

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 14:54:56

@catsalad I also don't really understand the Teams hate. I mean yeah Microsoft is evil, but it is a decent all-in-one solution and I even use it under Linux (!).
Jira on the other hand WAS decent before they shoved AI bullshit in it 🙄

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 14:57:26

@catsalad Not having to use AI?

Föderation EN So 08.06.2025 15:00:46

@catsalad Probably needs updating with avoiding AI at the bottom.