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Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:16:44

The chaotic urge to tell Linux evangelists to "Just install Windows" when they post even the smallest gripe about Linux...

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:17:20

@catsalad Why not "Just install OpenBSD" ?

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:21:09

@catsalad @bortzmeyer

May i tell you about our Lord and Saviour ReactOS?

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:22:16

@bortzmeyer @catsalad
Because it's a reaction to them replying "just install Linux" when someone posts the smallest gripe about Windows

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:28:49

@leeloo @bortzmeyer @catsalad they usually use "just run linux", which is clever because it doesn't mention the GODDAMN INSTALL of the stuff.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:39:40

@defred @bortzmeyer @catsalad
In my experience, installing is easy. It's all the stuff people suddenly realise they want after installing that cause problems.

But maybe jnstalling Linux has become harder? It was pretty easy in 1999.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:56:20

@leeloo @bortzmeyer @catsalad of course it was a joke, I don't talk gentoo installs here :). But being a linux user since 2004, I could have rant about tons of "discomforts" new users will experience, but I give you that modern distro are incredibly easy to install, and with the right default packages it's almost like... A mac :)

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:44:15

@defred @leeloo @bortzmeyer @catsalad
Eye see what YOU did there, DeFred, and Eye'm tut-tutting over here!

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:16:09

@bortzmeyer @catsalad I have to use all three OSes every day for work.
I love and hate them all in equal measure. Got no time for religious affiliation.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 19:05:46

@IsItBroke @bortzmeyer @catsalad Why don't you get a job planting flowers in the ground?

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 19:08:58

@khleedril @bortzmeyer @catsalad Nobody would hire me for my horticultural skills.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:57:18

@bortzmeyer @catsalad

No, first you say:

Don't run a messy system assembled from a bunch of different sources, install FreeBSD, it's much more coherent.

Then you say:

Don't use a system designed for big servers on your personal machine, install OpenBSD, it's much simpler and easier to secure.

Then you say:

Don't use a system that's so paranoid in its security, install NetBSD, it's easier to configure.

And then you say:

Don't run a server OS for your desktop, install Haiku.

Bonus points if you make them install IllumOS in the middle.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:46:33

@david_chisnall @bortzmeyer @catsalad
IT torment matrix anyone?
Bueller?
Bueller?

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 20:11:05

@bortzmeyer @catsalad because NetBSD is better

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:17:52

@catsalad You're evil. I love it.

But also I would hate this lmao.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:19:07

@catsalad "Just buy a Mac" somehow feels worse.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:15:56

@Huubje @catsalad what's wrong with "just buy a Mac" Macs are closer to Linux than Windows

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:56:44

@Eat_Your_Paisleys @catsalad a lot of reasons. While on a technical level there are a lot of similarities, generally Apple and Linux fans couldn't be more different. The consumerist culture surrounding Apple is a part of it. The "buy" in my statement alludes to that.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:34:55

@Huubje @catsalad I think you might be surprised at how many Mac users use Linux and how many former Linux users switched to Mac.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:21:06

@catsalad but seriously? Windows??

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:21:07

@catsalad "who HURD you?"

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:21:53

@catsalad Even worse: "Just buy a new mac, not an issue for me"

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:39:54

@plaetzchen @catsalad And then to complete the encirclement, a Linux user that goes "Oh, you have a problem? Well, PRs welcome. You really need to be a better FOSS citizen."

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 20:22:49

@mandelhorn @plaetzchen @catsalad
Sending patches upstream is such a hassle.
Just keep your own downstream patches.

It's called free software, damnit, that means you're free to fix a bug when you see it, and use your fixed version forever, and nobody can stop you.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:22:12

@catsalad Of course it runs NetBSD!

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:22:37

@catsalad i think every full time linux user must run windows 3 months a year just to see what they're missing out on.

maybe some of these are things they like missing out on, sure. but they should make that decision consciously

Föderation · Mo 30.06.2025 15:24:58

@kopper@wetdry.world @catsalad@infosec.exchange ngl it took me a month of running windows to go back to my jankfest of choice, im not touching that for another few years

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:32:16

@kopper It's painful going back to Windows when your daily driver is Linux/BSD/etc.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:37:06

@kopper @catsalad

I think actually if the other way around happened we'd see a sizeable migration to desktop Linux.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:39:06

@kopper @catsalad frankly I would rather drown myself in goblin piss. Or faeces. Or both. Windows has always been terrible although the ad for the first version from decades ago has always made me laugh out loud. Although writing TSRs was a lot of fun I must admit .. but totally not worth it.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:43:40

@kopper @catsalad If only Windows wasn't extremely expensive and a bitch to install

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:47:58

@kopper @catsalad I don't know what that does or means.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:44:47

@Sparkwave @kopper @catsalad Windows powershell equivalent of a "curl trustmebro.yolo | sudo bash" to perform an, erm, zero cost license activation against the current most popular provider of those.

(although... shouldn't that be iwr ... | iex ?)

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:46:21

@kopper @catsalad I have to run Windows for work, so I am very much aware of the pain I'm freed from when switching to my own computer.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:05:49

@kopper @catsalad To be that guy I have a Linux machine at home and a Window's laptop for work everyday and I've got more friction using Windows than Linux

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:36:34

@kopper @catsalad trying to do C++ development on Windows 7 is an entire story I have

Like, if anything on Windows "Just Works" I'm convinced it's in spite of Microsoft's best efforts, not because of them

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:37:21

@bdf2121cc3334b35b6ecda66e471 @catsalad ok but people do more than programming on they computers

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 18:16:26

@kopper @catsalad I work in onsite IT support so I'm constantly reminded why I don't want it on my private hardware while I'm having fun with this broken mess (domain controlled environment DOUBLES the fun)

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:23:12

@catsalad I have lived with Linux longer than I did my parents, and the mutual disappointment is often greater too.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:23:47

@catsalad look, some simple WMI classes fix all this that you're complaining about, I thought y'all could dig into the details of a system!

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:28:27

@catsalad "here's how I do that on my ipad with no problems..."

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:29:38

@neurovagrant @catsalad if I can't do it on Linux it's not worth doing

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:30:23

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Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:33:04

@catsalad i could probably rewrite whichever thing is giving me trouble from scratch in the time it usually takes to install windows.

But whining is faster than both options!

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:33:28

@catsalad i see what you did there 🤣

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:33:35

@catsalad

"Just buy a Mac"

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:33:45

@catsalad thats just an average tiktok comment section

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:34:41

@catsalad Just code your own OS on a RISC-V CPU... noobs.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:41:18

@catsalad I instantly felt the need to write a new copy/paste message:

“Have you heard of this small operating system project that might be able to solve your issues, it’s called ‘Windows 11’ - or more technically ‘Microsoft Windows NT version 11’. It has many tools out of the box and offers you upsells to fix the problems it causes”

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:14:02

@andysomniac @catsalad on another machine I have an installer ISO for Windows NT 4.0 Workstation. A mere 474 meg. Not even a whole CD! They could put some Weezer videos in that extra space!

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 18:19:59

@andysomniac @catsalad what the fuck I just realized Windows 11 is INDEED 11th main release of Windows NT

Föderation IT Mo 30.06.2025 15:45:26

@catsalad keep in mind that the popularization of Linux will bring all the barely capable of clicking lusers with it.
Do we really want that?

Föderation IT Mo 30.06.2025 15:58:51

@gmarcosanti @catsalad Well...

Microsoft has been actively making said users more vulnerable... so yes apparently.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 20:03:07

@gmarcosanti @catsalad I mean, usually if I introduce a "normie" user to Linux, they pretty quickly (within a month or two) want to learn a bit more, then a bit more, then a bit more.

Most people *want* to understand how the stuff they use works, but they're so used to everything being a black box they give up and assume it's too much trouble.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:45:38

@catsalad It has a Windows Subsystem For Linux now! Or, as I prefer to call it, GNU/NTOSKRNL.EXE or GNU plus NTOSKRNL.EXE

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 15:47:14

@catsalad Rather comparable to the "buy a Mac" retort whenever a Windows user has a problem they want help for, I guess. 😬

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:11:05

@catsalad ROFL. You are going to get trolled for that.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:11:58

@catsalad I think it is because we assume that they are people that enjoy griping. If so, they will have more to complain about, and enjoy griping even more, when using windoze.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:14:20

@catsalad
hahaha! I'd never dare! But you have a point.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:20:48

@catsalad JUST CODE YOUR OWN WINDOWS!!! HOW LONG CAN IT POSSIBLY TAKE - A DAY?!

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:24:35

@catsalad It’s tempting sometimes.

Both going back to Windows and telling annoying evangelists to, that is.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 16:30:12

@catsalad omg do they even know how powerful powershell is?

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:17:54

@catsalad You joke, but I’ve been hearing “just install Windows” for 30 years.

Funny how being part of a majority culture makes you feel entitled to belittle minority cultures.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:31:37

@catsalad It’s kind of hilarious how many people are responding with serious comments.

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Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:34:22

@catsalad get a V-Tech laptop.

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Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:38:28

@catsalad

This bear waits for them to mention GNU, and then says "I met Terry Pratchett a few times. Of course I remember him."

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:43:20

@catsalad just install TempleOS

Föderation DE Mo 30.06.2025 17:45:33

@catsalad
Noo, buy a Mac.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 17:46:55

@catsalad "just install Mac!"

Föderation DE Mo 30.06.2025 18:09:47

@catsalad have you considered to install Arch??? Have you??? :thinknyan:

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 18:19:54

@catsalad
:neofox_what: <-- just realised that this would be enough bait to explode producing maybe not even one long post

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 18:28:55

@catsalad What?! What was that sound?!! A disturbance in the force! It was like...it was like millions of basement dwellers imploding at once....

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 18:38:09

@catsalad as a daily Linux user, I can say; you aren't wrong. I respond to a lot of people who say "I need windows for... How do I go to Linux?" The answer, sometimes you don't. Windows, Linux, BSD, OSx all exist for a reason.

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 19:18:12

@catsalad
solution to all computer problems: "Just touch grass."

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 19:33:07

@catsalad aaaah yes Windows!

The best thing Steve Jobs ever did!

But I must say, I tried the Ubuntu 95 BSD version some years back - not for me.
But I wish them well!

Föderation EN Mo 30.06.2025 20:12:33

@catsalad No need to even do that. I always complain over stupid Terminal and why everything has to be done through it and they all lose their shit. And it's true. Fuck off with your commandline, I was sick of it through entire fucking 90s, surely I don't need that shit in 2025 anymore. I don't want to memorize or search for cryptic super long noodles of commands just to activate some basic shit. Seriously.