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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 21:35:20 "Christine what do you think of people running Bluesky relays now" It's good. It's not decentralized, it's still a star topology (there's still one "main" relay everything consumes from) and most of these are cheap by being shallow. But it's def good for people to do it EDIT: The thing that is good is that people are running the infrastructure. I said above it's still not decentralized, and it *is* still decentralization-washing; that's the main risk of it. |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 21:39:36 "Christine what do you think of the fediverse adopting relay strategies now" It's bad, I think? Seems like re-centralization? I am under-informed. I have strong opinions on how to do this right. I have written them in places but guess I should re-express them. Hard to find time. |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 21:51:22 Medien: 1 |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 22:16:02 @cwebber In what way are fediverse relays re-centralization? They're not really comparable to Bluesky relays in that they're completely optional and there's no single central relay, they're just for smaller instances to get more posts federated to them. |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 23:04:38 @noisytoot It's not the worst. I am not *that* worried about fediverse relays. But I am worried about them being used as a solution for archiving, if used wrong. More later. But it's not a big concern/threat. It's more that there's a better way I think. |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 22:53:13 @cwebber relays seem to be opt-in on a per instance basis. Given relays are not used for core functionality, I prefer to view it as collaboration, not centralization |
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Föderation · Mo 12.05.2025 21:41:30 @cwebber@social.coop So.... Where is the good part? |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 21:43:16 @Linux Good question. It's good that other people are trying out the infrastructure, because currently in theory nobody else can run the code (this is getting closer to people being able to do more of that). However, it's not good in that it still decentralization-washes things. |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 21:44:09 |
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Föderation · Mo 12.05.2025 21:45:05 @cwebber@social.coop I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing the good part. If it is centralized and, in theory, nobody else can run the code... |
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Föderation EN Mo 12.05.2025 21:46:21 @Linux People are running code that performs part of the protocol. But it's still a problem. At any rate, I updated the original post to clarify. As I said even in my original post, it's still not decentralized. |
