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Hansvan1956 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

· Föderation NL Fr 28.02.2025 21:50:00

@petergleick Iโ€™m trying to stay away from conspiracy theories, but it is in the interest of the Kremlin and the current US government to have another president at the helm of Ukraine. So the atmosphere of the meeting was set to have Zelensky to swallow the bait with hook and sinker. And he did unfortunately. Next call will be for replacing Zelensky because heโ€™s no longer acceptable as negotiating partner. In line with the playbook of the Kremlin.

Hansvan1956 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

Föderation NL Fr 28.02.2025 22:09:32

@maxd @petergleick The US will call for replacing him, completely aligned with the wishes of the Kremlin. I hope they fail and that Zelensky stays on with support of the EU leadership.

Max Desiatov

Föderation EN Fr 28.02.2025 22:13:01

@hvdzwaag @petergleick they may, but what does that really achieve? I think we shouldn't give them more credit than they deserve, they're not some grand chess masters as they want to be seen. FWIW it exposes them as direct russian assets, so people who doubted that will now see the reality

Hansvan1956 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

Föderation NL Fr 28.02.2025 22:40:23

@maxd @petergleick Iโ€™m afraid the US tactic is to make his position as president impossible by signaling to the people of Ukraine that Zelensky is in the way of a peaceful solution. The immediate withdrawal of US aid in restoring the energy system is just a first step. The people of Ukraine will suffer more and longer and the US will blame this on their current president. So itโ€™s up to the public support and resilience of the people how this ends.

Max Desiatov

Föderation EN Fr 28.02.2025 22:47:22

@hvdzwaag @petergleick as a Ukrainian, I can say this signalling has expectedly failed, they're achieving an opposite effect, and they have no idea how to talk to Ukrainians. This only makes Zelenskyy more popular among Ukrainians who were tired of him. Everyone realises that now is not the time for infighting, and everyone knows that russia needs to GTFO first of all, since that's the real problem and the real cause.

JimmyChezPants

Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 00:35:51

@maxd @hvdzwaag @petergleick I completely believe he would step down in a deal that had a security guarantee.

The dude probably just wants to go back to making sitcoms FFS

edit: poor bastard is really gonna be pissed when he ends up as the first world president.

Daedalean

Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 01:56:24

@maxd @hvdzwaag @petergleick as an American I kind of think Zelenskyy knew it would go this way. He already knew what Trump was, Trumpโ€™s first impeachment was due to him pulling similar shakedown shit with Zelenskyy. And it seemed batshit that he was even considering signing over half of Ukraineโ€™s mineral rights. It does seem to have clarified things for many EU leaders. If so, well done.

Chitchat ðŸลฝ¶ðŸลฝ»

Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 08:10:05

@daedalean @maxd @hvdzwaag @petergleick do we know he was actively considering it? What were those news reports stating it was pretty much a done deal based on?

SueDiOh

Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 07:40:30

@maxd @hvdzwaag @petergleick
Trump treason makes Ukraine more united. And Europe. And NATO. Putin must be thrilled with his puppet.

McWabbit ๐Ÿ‹๐ŸŒป๐Ÿ‰

Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 08:56:46

@maxd @hvdzwaag @petergleick
Ukrainians are not that foolish to fall for this kind of pressure they have been dealing with for as long as they have endured.

In my head, Zelenskyy played along to tentatively agree on the extortionate minerals deal, which was a shock to lots of us who knew this was a bad plan.

Then he went to the Oval Office, knowing full well how 47 would act in public and out of camera, to confirm via live television, that this new US regime is 100% under the influence of Putin.
By showing the world the insanity of the situation, he and Ukraine could reject the deal wholeheartedly. And gain massive PR support from it.

In a way, he successfully exposed the American regime for what it is, more than the other Western leaders could have.

Yes, the Americans will try to get rid of Zelenskyy, by order from their Russian master. So now he will be targeted by Russia AND the US. And not only through political pressureโ€ฆ

Finitum

Föderation NL Sa 01.03.2025 03:42:42

@hvdzwaag @maxd @petergleick these morons trying to make him out to be Yasser Arafat.

slotrak

Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 02:15:04

@hvdzwaag @maxd @petergleick
They already did. Ukraine, as in her people, said no, we want President Zelenskyy until the war is won. Of course Putin's stooge wants him removed.

sOlOw-NH

Föderation EN Fr 28.02.2025 22:11:02

@hvdzwaag @petergleick

Krasnov looked unstable. He's becoming a pariah...toxic...

EllenMarch2

Föderation EN Sa 01.03.2025 03:43:53

@hvdzwaag @petergleick Zelenskyy did what he had to do. He acted with honor courage and patriotism The shame is Trumps