Renaud Chaput (@renchap@oisaur.com)
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 16:46:34
@jerry word-based filtering has many many issues. As server blocklists do. Before having tools that reinforce this, we want those tools to not be invisible to users and provide some auditing. Not doing so, in our experience, creates very bad experiences for users.
Add the fact that being a federated network makes most of the things much more difficult to implement properly.
@vmstan @doug
Renaud Chaput (@renchap@oisaur.com)
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 16:51:20
@jerry and this is also why we introduced the severed relationship mechanism, as well as the (still needikg improvements) filtered notification system. Now that we have those, which allow more auditing and decision visibility, we will need to able to add more tools, like blocklist syncing.
@vmstan @doug
flere-imsaho (@mawhrin@circumstances.run)
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 19:20:35
@renchap mind, pleroma implemented things like MRF years ago (there's a helpful thread from ariadne conill that lists the pleroma moderation/security features); mastodon frequently ignored calls for implementation of such features or delayed them for years, and rochko managed to alienate many potential contributors by doing things like dropping already reviewed pull requests with implemented features because something irritated him.
@jerry @vmstan @doug
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 17:11:42
bumblefudge (@by_caballero@mastodon.social)
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 21:19:58
@adamrice @jerry @vmstan @doug https://www.blockpartyapp.com/#blockpartyclassic
^ This was a winning model, back when twitter's API was open
Nik (@nikclayton@mastodon.social)
Föderation EN Fr 02.08.2024 15:58:01
Föderation EN Fr 02.08.2024 16:32:38
@nikclayton @tomjennings @jerry @vmstan @doug It is cool that you are working on this.
Iām not really a programmer, but it seems to me the bigger technical challenge with per-user block lists is preventing blocked griefers from seeing posts by the user with the block list. I would want to be invisible to those who I block.
Nik (@nikclayton@mastodon.social)
Föderation EN Fr 02.08.2024 17:03:01
@adamrice @tomjennings @jerry @vmstan @doug Yes. So to avoid confusion.
If you **block** an account or server on Mastodon that's what happens (https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moderating/#block).
The #Pachli changes will drive client-side **server filtering**. This is not as "strong" as a block (as noted in the caveats section of the post) but it also avoids collateral damage.
The UX should make it easy for a user to go from "I am looking at a filtered post" to "I have blocked that account or server".
dynamic (@dynamic@social.coop)
Föderation EN Fr 16.08.2024 22:26:10
@nikclayton @adamrice @tomjennings @jerry @vmstan @doug
I like the idea of user-level blocklists. I'm not enamored with the feature being confined to an app, but I guess it might be better than nothing.
An important caveat here is that if you make a *public* Mastodon post there is no way of completely preventing bad actors from viewing it, even if you block those users or instances.
Public posts can be viewed by loading their URL in any browser.
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 17:56:47
S Vermin Rose (@rose@linuxrocks.online)
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 18:25:05
@jerry As we all know, Trust and Safety is hard, and a challenge is that when it fails it hits some users far harder than others. The idea that it's unduly onerous on those users to block trolls is new to me - I'm not a domain expert. But I want to hear Black voices, so their problem is, to an extent, my problem. Could a mitigation be curated block lists? I have a foggy recollection of such a facility being available on a certain legacy microblogging platform.
draeath (@draeath@social.sdf.org)
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 18:37:09
Petra van Cronenburg (@NatureMC@mastodon.online)
Föderation EN Do 01.08.2024 20:50:55
@jerry I have no ideas about the programming. But it would help already if private blocking of people would be a real block and not only a "silencing". Often I can read everything in profiles that I blocked long before (only sometimes the profile is "not available"). So trolls often make screenshots for harassing people who have blocked them.
The other feature I liked on X: close a post completely for comments. A lot of people miss it.