Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:43:35 What is your favorite browser? Feel free to share why. #Vivaldi #browser #Firefox #Edge #Chrome #Safari #Opera #Windows #Linux #macos #iOS #Android 0% Vivaldi 0 Stimmabgaben, bis Di 19.11.2024 17:43:35 |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:44:57 @jon Firefox for now, because of inertia, but the alternatives are definitely being considered. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:49:52 @jon no option for brave ? 🤔 otherwise i prefer firefox. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:50:08 @jon Vivaldi on android is the only one that does tabs right IMO with the tab bar. So for me it's Zen and Firefox on Desktop and Vivaldi on Android. |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:50:25 @jon I was a long-time Opera aficionado, only dropped it when they switched to WebKit (and then Blink) and the last Presto-based version became obsolete (TLS-wise, mostly). Switched to Firefox, with which I'll stick as long as it maintains Gecko. Would love to jump to Vivaldi, but we need more independent rendering engines for the health of the web. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:52:43 @jon I like Firefox and Vivaldi. FF is totally open source and often renders fonts better than Chromium-based browsers and the PDF reader is more robust. I'm currently working through an online training module and it's the only PDF program that lets me highlight sections of the provided documentation and will remember changes when I save the document. Vivaldi has a ton of features and is pretty quick and responsive, especially on Android. Still having odd issues with the mail client and I'm really not sure what to make of or do with the new dashboard though. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:53:13 @jon It changes from time to time, but I do keep coming back to Firefox. It fits like a glove in Linux, has good dev tools and is configurable enough |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:00:54 Firefox because it isn't chromium, and I just like it. With chromium, google controls the web. Doesn't matter what kind of wrapper a third party puts on it. It's still chromium and it's still google. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:06:03 @jon Orion! We got a kagi subscription a while back and I enjoyed it so much I decided to try their browser. It blocks youtube ads on all my devices, so it's a keeper |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:06:54 @jon I was a vivaldi user, and still am, but recently Floorp has won me over. I've been using it full time for the last month, and I'm very happy with it. |
Föderation · Sa 16.11.2024 18:10:01 @dbug13@mastodon.social @jon@social.vivaldi.net Interesting. So is this basically the Vivaldi of browsers with a Firefox engine? ;) |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:09:15 @jon |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:17:23 @jon Firefox because not chromium based. Vivaldi out of all chromium based |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:17:37 @jon Vivaldi and Zen browsers. Cuz I like customizability. Zen feels faster though. Vivaldi and Fennec on Android. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:25:00 @jon Firefox on Android supports extensions, wish Vivaldi did the same! |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:26:24 @jon I'm positive it's been done with Chromium before too, by the Kiwi browser. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:59:35 @thesdev , we did give it a try, but found that it would require a lot of work to keep it up to date. We have instead focused on building capabilities into Vivaldi which are the main reasons people want extensions. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:28:24 |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:01:04 @geillescas , I have not tried them, but it looks like they have taken some inspiration from Vivaldi. Even marketing. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:06:54 @jon |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:28:38 @jon I like Vivaldi cause its all about customizability and has decent privacy. I like firefox because it doesn't have to have chromiums bad choices (not including jpegxl, manifest v3, etc). Of the course the defaults aren't the best, but it is also very customizable (even if its harder to customize than Vivaldi). |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:33:57 @jon Opera from before the switch to chromium remains my favorite to this day, every browser I've used since doesn't feel as feature complete or as fun as Opera did. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:57:08 @p4 , I am very proud of what we built at Opera at that time, but you will find that and more in Vivaldi now. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:35:29 @jon I'll need to take another closer look at it then. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:37:20 @jon I'm a Vivaldi supporter since V1. Because of open privacy (MV3) and open finger printing support I use more & more FF and Zen in the last months ... ;-( But I love Vivaldi, great team support and the Vivaldi style |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:47:53 @jon Brave |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:53:00 @jon Vivaldi & Firefox for philosophical reasons ;-) |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:56:56 @jon I don't have a favorite browser at the moment. The one I currently use is brave, but there are several things about it that I don't like. I've yet to find a browser that doesn't break my workflow in a critical way that also isn't brave. I have several manifest v2 extensions that I'm not going to be giving up. So until a browser has a tab discard mechanism that can be configured to not auto un-discard a tab on focus, and has a way to force immediate discarding, brave is where I stay. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:58:39 asking us to vote between: |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:59:11 Hi @jon As a technology enthusiast, I’d like to share my perspective on this. Firefox has been my go-to browser for a while, mainly because of: 1. Multi-Account Containers: Perfect for managing multiple profiles or accounts seamlessly. Vivaldi, on the other hand, has a special place in my heart for its unique and productivity-oriented features: 1. Page Tiling: A brilliant tool for working with multiple pages side by side—ideal for multitaskers. A Few Observations While Vivaldi excels in many areas, there are a couple of things I’d like to highlight: High RAM Usage: Vivaldi can be quite demanding on memory. Cheers 😊 |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:00:52 @jon Floorp or firedragon. They give me the customization. firedragon has the Librawolf privacy script implemented.  They both have the speed hacks implemented with the push of a button if that’s your thing.  But at the end of the day, every single browser sucks so pick your poison. None of them are good. They either are gecko or blink with some sugar on top. Yes, I know servo and LadyBird are coming, but they’re not here yet so they’re not part of the discussion  |
Föderation DE Sa 16.11.2024 19:02:41 @jon my favorite browser is Orion by @kagihq https://kagi.com/orion/ |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:28:18 @jon It is like fashion. I switch between WebKit and Gecko. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:31:11 @jon : And my second favorite is #Lynx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:39:10 @jon Firefox on Desktop, Vivaldi on mobile. Vivaldi is close for me on Mobile because it works really well, but I'm using the Fennec version of Firefox from F-droid currently and it's a favorite, with Vivaldi close behind. Close on mobile because it's the second closest thing for me on privacy goals, and Firefox & forks on Android are a bit buggy. Firefox (preferably forks) on desktop fully because of the UI being open source, no slight against Vivaldi for that, I fully understand the reasoning for not doing so. I just prefer open source so I bias towards as much as possible of it when not overly difficult to do so. I do not trust Mozilla, more open source nature of the app allows me to take trust of ownership out of the equation a bit, especially so with forks. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:27:18 OmniWeb on NeXTSTEP |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:27:33 @jon I love Safari because it's not chrome & it's got sleek apple design & it means I don't have to use the loathsome firefox |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:28:48 I use Chromium which is a complete browser that every Chromium based browser uses. It gets the work done. Firefox for everything else. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:28:49 @jon Other AVG Secure Browser ^^ |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:28:52 @jon Brave... because it loads fast, and has the best built in ad blocking. Please change your ad-blocker accordingly. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:30:00 @jon Team Firefox. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:30:45 @jon |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:30:52 @jon I use Vivaldi on my Mac because it has a Chromium base, so it has a lot of compatibility benefits that provides, while also providing good privacy and a great experience that I can customize to work how I want it. I used to be a large proponent of Firefox, but I don’t like their recent modus operi of shoving god-knows what into the browser. I also really like Safari. It’s a great mobile browser, and even on the Mac it gives me good battery life, and syncs across all my Apple devices. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:31:50 @jon I found Zen, which is built on top of Firefox and I love it a lot |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:32:26 @jon my favourite is Zen. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:32:30 @jon I have and like Firefox and have used it off and on for years. It also comes standard with Ubuntu, which is the OS I'm currently using. However, I've had some issues with it playing streaming content, so I installed Chromuim (open source browser based on Chrome), and that's what I use most and like a lot. I also have used all the others listed and a few more as well. They're all basically functional. The main issue is privacy, but I haven't been that concerned about it as much as I should. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:34:23 @jon i kind of hate them all, each for a different reason... |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:34:30 @jon None. All have flaws. Browsers are poorly designed, fundamentally. There is no reason to have media player, etc, into what should be a text / hyperlink display. The only good thing about Vivaldi is F2ing (screenshot). Otherwise you provide bloatware filled with quirks. Medien: 1 |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:34:53 @jon |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:06:09 @akamran , glad you are with us. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:35:27 @jon Ordinare use: Chrome. Security work: Firefox. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:36:13 @jon LibreWolf, a fork of Firefox. |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:39:33 @jon under Android only Opera and Aloha, under Windows Chrome and Firefox. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:40:20 @jon Firefox, because it's the only one who hasn't made me "rare things" since I use it and always announce what they're going to put in the browser. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:40:42 @jon |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:40:47 @jon For me on Windows performance is more or less the same for all the above browsers. Edge is decent and do all what the average user needs. I like Vivaldi because is tweakable (I like the idea of the mail client but something on the UI doesn't work for me, maybe I'm only used with Outlook). Firefox because I use it since it was Phoenix and I'm so sorry it is dieing. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 14:27:57 |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 15:00:41 The mail client has a learning curve, one we are always trying to reduce. On the other hand, it can save you a lot of time, once you get used to it. A few things to note: I know these are new concepts, but there is a reason a lot of us cannot do without this. |
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Föderation EN Do 21.11.2024 13:33:25 If you have more details on what you prefer in the Outlook UI, feel free to share that with me. Always interested in feedback. If you want to have the mail client in a separate window, the easiest way is just to have a separate install where you run the mail client. Other than that, finding the mail tab is easy if you click a folder in the mail panel. You can also pin the mail tab so it is always in the left corner. There is a bit of learning curve here and it will be different from Outlook, but IMHO it is worth it. |
Föderation · Sa 16.11.2024 20:41:36 I use Vivaldi but I would really like to see more attention to quality. Breaking things randomly in minor releases and then taking half a year to fix them is not okay, guys. A public issue tracker would also help, instead of the scream-into-the-void bug report form. I understand that you've taken everything from the old Opera team, but this part should've been left behind. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:41:52 @jon I use a plethora of browsers. I'm migrating fron Firefox to LibreWolf (sorry, I prefer non-chrome based browsers), but have a Ungoogled Chromium as a backup those times Firefox/LibreWolf doesn't cut it (I thought the world had learnt a lesson from the IE days; seems we need to educate a new generation web hipsters). On Android I use the default browser (in @e_mydata) for a few news/blog sites, Mull and Vivaldi for some other sites and DuckDuckGo when searching. Default browser is Mull with Privacy Mode enabled by default. I honestly don't like that the Chrome based browsers seems to be dominating these days. We need a heterogeneous web render environment to ensure a single dominant player does not dictate how things will be for users. And without such competition, I fear there will be a lesser drive to further improve browsers. Just like when Netscape seemed too complacent with their own browsers back in the days. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:42:15 @jon Firefox. Especially because it has containers. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:43:17 @jon Vivaldi and Waterfox. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:43:29 @jon DuckDuckGo |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:44:50 @jon Edge.. the unpopular choice! I dunno I find it fastest, but I'm also using windows Double criminal |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:47:21 Have you tried Vivaldi? |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:45:59 @jon about:config |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:46:06 @jon brave o waterfox |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:48:06 @jon Firefox because of the extensions and it doesn’t use Chromium. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:49:44 @jon Firefox, for the last ~20 years. I've switched to something else a few times, but I always end up coming back when whatever it was I switched to turns to garbage in various ways. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:50:20 @jon I voted for Firefox/other. I really use Librewolf on desktop and Mull on Android. They are privacy-respecting. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:50:33 @jon right now zen browser |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:54:41 @jon Hands down Lynx. No javascript, no images, no self-playing movies. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:01:20 @jon |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:02:00 @jon I use Watefox, based on Firefox, has Mozilla login/sync and an Android client too |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:07:33 @jon Firefox, because I never want to play "choose your favorite Chrome frontend" |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:08:26 @jon Librewolf, because it is not Google controlled then Vivaldi and Brave they all have different uses |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:09:28 I use a browser called "Brave". Mostly because I believe it to be the most privacy centric browser available outside of TOR browser. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:09:33 @jon Selected |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:10:32 I currently use: Firefox on the desktop Vivaldi on my other persona on desktop, laptop and second phone. Also going to try Floop and Zen. Ostensibly I want to use Firefox forks but I find Vivaldi pretty cool despite being Chromium, especially on mobile. TBH, none of them are ideal. I'd love to have one browser with multiple profiles across multiple devices, but I find that doesn't work for me. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:11:30 @jon Firefox for now because fuck Chrome/Chromium, but now that Mozilla makes more and more poor decisions I'm hoping that Ladybird will turn out well. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:12:41 @jon Firefox, because of the non-monoculture rendering engine. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:15:09 @jon Arc |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:16:30 @jon NCSA Mosaic |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:16:37 @jon I have several : Floorp, Dillo+, Tor Browser, Vivaldi, Ladybird top my list. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:18:21 @jon Firefox and Brave for me. I like both |
Föderation SR Sa 16.11.2024 21:26:58 @jon Firefox, for two reasons: it’s free software and still trying to maintain rendering engine diversity. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:31:19 @jon Zen Browser |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:32:17 @jon Safari, because all my passwords live in iCloud, and I really like how the touch gestures for back and forward work. |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:37:02 @jon to say that mozilla drove firefox into the ground is an understatement, but right now gecko/firefox (and derivatives) is the only engine/browser that is a viable alternative to blink/chromium monopoly. TL;DR: all browsers suck and i have no favorite, but firefox sucks the least and it is my browser of choice for most things. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:42:40 @jon Firefox and Fennec is great overall between mobile and desktop, especially since extensions for both platforms are supported. Zen looks promising. For chromium, Brave is good, even though I don't like their branding. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:43:23 @jon Zen |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:55:46 @jon Vivaldi. No dns leaks. Super fast. Sync is nice. Dark mode is so good. Integrated ad/tracker blocker works well. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:04:20 @jon Waterfox. It's like Firefox but with all the telemetry crap culled. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:05:48 I've been using it at home for quite some time now. I wonder though why some corporate environments started outright blocking Vivaldi. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:13:40 @jon - on desktop/android: Brave, current chromium based, open source, excellent ad blocking, with the dumb crypto stuff and any "phoning home" easy to turn off, the only one to pass all parts of EFF's browser privacy test, and no embedded tracker libraries. Downside: I do not like the ethics of their CEO. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:14:43 @jon - open source every part of Vivalid and then I could consider it for daily driver use. |
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Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:25:51 @jon Vivaldi because it's the most like Opera 12.18 and before, at least in spirit. LibreWolf in second place because it's more privacy focused than FireFox and I got used to FireFox between opera's terrible switch to being chromium-based and Vivaldi being available. |
Föderation DE Sa 16.11.2024 22:26:05 @jon Firefox, but I can’t really explain why because it’s a lot of tiny things that make it better, but the fact it isn’t Chromium-based is probably the most significant point. And probably a bit of nostalgia too. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:28:03 @jon Others browser are difficult to use on a Chromebook. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:32:37 @jon Orion for macOS (it uses WebKit, framework-native Mac application) |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:35:53 @jon Firefox still allows adblocking, although the bullshit from the Mozilla Foundation is worrying. They seem hellbent on wasting this opportunity. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:45:11 @jon Firefox because of its tweaks. I admire what Vivaldi has achieved, but Firefox can achieve almost the same with extensions. The only thing missing in Firefox are native tab groups, but they are a work in progress according to their site. If Firefox vanished tomorrow, I would quite likely use Vivaldi. I was an Opera user in the old days. Vivaldi is the only browser that follows that spirit today. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 17:37:32 Thanks for your kind words. Did you try Workspaces in Vivaldi as well? Quick commands? The searchable Window panel? |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 20:45:46 @jon Yes, I did. I'm not fan of Workspaces, but I get the idea. Quick comands, not yet; the searchable windows not either. I do not tend to have so many tabs open at the same time, I guess. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:54:01 @jon OK, I tried them. They are nice to have, but for users who manage many tabs at the same time. It is not my case. One thing I like a lot about Firefox is the about:config page. My main change is content.notify.backoffcount > 0. It stops the browser partial refreshes, and shows a web page only when its parts finished loading. In my experience, it makes the browsing faster and more comfortable for my eyes. It could be a nice switch to have in Vivaldi too. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:54:25 @jon (Although Chromium-based browsers' main selling point is speed.) Firefox does not have tab groups or workspaces (yet?) but you can mimic the experience with Sidebery. Related links: |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:50:24 @jon Floorp. Firefox with better privacy and better interface. |
Föderation RU Sa 16.11.2024 23:25:02 @jon I found out that also Edge is quite nice. Very friendly, the tabs can be moved to the side position, the same panel as in Vivaldi, excellent translator. But there is not so easy to switch between search engines, also not so easy to switch to the main workspace, and there's almost no Speed Dial. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:37:45 @jon can't live without Vivaldi's workspaces But I heard they too will eventually capitulate in Google's fight against ad blockers and when that happens I guess I'll have to learn |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:23:28 We will do our best to keep you happy. We will not least continue to improve our ad blocker. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:12:13 @jon It IS pretty good, sure. At the very least it doesn't randomly block my own collabora server unlike uBlock Origin. But ultimately it's just not good enough. So the day I can't run uBlock Origin, my browsing experience will be immediately horrible This is VERY MUCH a deal breaker. Overnight the browser will become essentially unusable. And I know because I use the mobile version already where I can't install an adblocker and... yeah, it sucks |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:46:37 @jon even if Firefox is my 1st option, but is the 2nd option and I use it almost daily |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:49:51 @jon Big fan of Vivaldi....and Brave. I'd love to love another |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:21:53 @darthkielbasa , thanks for your support! |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:53:57 @jon DuckDuckGo. Why wasn't it included in this list? |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:59:15 @dedicto , there is only room for that many choices, so some browsers are not included. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:57:25 @jon Use Firefox for regular and Mullvad browser for advanced. Additionally, tor but rare personally. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:57:44 @jon Safari is by far the best at just being a web browser and getting out of your way. It's fast, the UI is simple and straightforward, the features it does have feel relevant. |
Föderation · Sa 16.11.2024 23:58:43 Vivaldi has been my daily driver since 1.0, i can’t live without tab tiling and vertical tabs in my work. Would love to have the ability to sort my open tabs by domain or an alpha sort. Please continue to improve the Adblock functions. It doesn’t compare to manifest v2 ublock origin yet. Loving 7.0 so far! |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:21:12 Glad to hear that. Thanks for your support. Have you tried looking at the Windows panel? You can sort tabs there. The search there is pretty helpful as well. We continue to work on the ad blocker. It will continue to improve. |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:58:55 @jon Zen-Browser forked from Firefox. @zenbrowser |
Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:59:16 @jon |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:04:05 @jon Brave |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:04:57 @jon Librewolf is just better than firefox. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:05:28 @jon I like Vivaldi as it reminds me of when I was using Opera around 2008. It has any embedded things like a Feed reader, email, translation and such. Compatible with Chrome extensions and with vertical tabs. Also Edge was good enough to work, and now I have to use Chrome which is pretty standard to be productive. I use Zen for personal stuff and I get a similar feeling as a better Firefox after it self destroyed for me. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:10:28 @jon I voted for “other” and the other is Arc. I’m in love with it, even now when it’s almost discontinued in a sense. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:12:03 @jon Vivaldi + Brave All features potential of Vivaldi (panels, second-level tabs, workspaces, page actions, page tiling, translator, reading list...) + privacy/cookies/certificates/ad-blocker... features of Brave |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:26:56 @jon FIrefox, but it's not my favorite browser. It's the (alleged) alternative to Google. Firefox a lot of the time is very unstable, and crashes. It takes roughly 40 minutes to be usable after it starts to load duckduckgo...."contacting improving duckduckgo" takes up most of the 40 minutes. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:45:18 @jon Vivaldi is just like home. The workspaces, the customizability, tab stacking... it’s made with love |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:44:15 @claridelune , glad you like it! |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:03:16 @jon #vivaldibrowser is by far the best. It saves me so much time. I need to have many tabs open in several windows in several virtual desktops in several monitors. Workspaces, tabs stacking and tab search are lifesavers. The quick search has a built-in calculator that I use all the time. It's the most innovative and customizable browser there is. Sync is flawless. I use it in Mac, Windows and Android. #Edge would be my 2nd choice. I like how fast it loads in my old Windows laptop, probably because it's pre-loaded. I like the way Bing presents the search results and the Copilot integration. I love the read-aloud feature. It recognizes the language automatically and it sounds very natural. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:04:23 @jon Chrome: tab groups. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:43:32 Have your tried tab stacks and workspaces in Vivaldi? |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:27:16 @jon Personally I like Zen Browser, it’s open-source Arc like browser which I really like |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:34:57 @jon I use safari on Mac as it is the only browser that works with the Apple Passwords app. If Vivaldi worked with it I would use that instead |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:51:10 I'm sure somebody here is going to yell at me... But Arc is so damn good on a laptop. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:54:41 @jon Firefox to Vivaldi primary recent convert here. Loads of reasons: Vivaldi almost wins by default at this point, but it has plenty to recommend it |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:40:54 @snarfmason , glad you like it! |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:23:49 @jon a good browser has good dev tools, and an absence of AI bullshit. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:32:12 @jon I went with "Other" because my favorite browser doesn't exist yet. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:38:55 @jon This list only has 3 browsers on it. |
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Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:49:11 I mostly use zen browser now. I like it quite a bit. It feels more modern and has a lot of nice features while being based on Firefox. I really don’t like contributing to the stranglehold that chromium — and therefore google — have on the browser market share when I can help it. If I can’t use a Firefox based browser I try WebKit based ones. I only really use chromium based browsers as a last resort or because of electron apps. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 05:09:46 @jon Vivaldi. Because it's better than Firefox. Haters gonna hate. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 05:26:36 @jon I use Vivaldi for several years on both, desktop (Windows) and mobile (Android), and i can tell you all without fear, without no regrets, that it give me all what i need to surf internet on the better and secure way i ever prof with any other browser |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 05:41:03 @jon brave and librewolf |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 07:10:43 @jon As soon as anyone outs out a browser that just shows websites and allows for best possible privacy without dicking around, I'll use that. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 07:25:31 @jon logiciel libre, respect de la vie privée, non inféodé aux GAFAM |
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Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 07:50:19 @jon I'll bite. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 08:28:53 @jon Zen Browser @zenbrowser |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 08:52:11 @jon my next browser will be something different maybe ladybird or a browser with servo web engine. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:16:04 @jon Brave |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:17:05 @jon Especially on 'Linux'. I think it's also worth taking a closer look at the 'Vivaldiserve' behind it. ;-) Currently Firefox in first place, then Safari just ahead of Vivaldi here. :tony_unhappy: I think many people here have simply not yet looked at Vivaldi for all platforms.
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Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:29:25 @jon Edge because it's the only one on the market that has an option to: 1. Ask if you want to open or save the download I like to keep my downloads folder clean, sorry 😢 |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:48:22 @jon Firefox, because its the only real alternative to chrome and its clones, firefox its still the most customizable browser, vivaldi its the second, but the biggest con of vivaldi feels that its the slower among chrome clones |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:15:00 @jon LibreWolf for privacy & |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:36:00 @jon So a lot of interest in this question. Veery good. Maybe someone else is interested in digging through here. ;-) ;-) I'm sure several people will take a closer look at the 'Vivaldiserve' afterwards.
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Föderation PT So 17.11.2024 10:46:31 @jon Chrome for better Android integration and web unfortunately is made thinking chrome, some sites not open correctly in Firefox so ... A maintain Firefox for web development only, every other task Chrome |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:48:41 I'm pretty sure this just reflects "people who know what a browser is", or least "people who know enough about browsers to have an opinion". |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 11:14:56 @jon Firefox for the gecko engine vs the overwhelming power (and use) of Chrome's Blink. |
Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 11:17:32 @jon Different Browsers for different situations |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 13:01:40 @jon Firefox is my favorite when I can use it, but at least on my new Mac, I found Firefox was misbehaving for inexplicable reasons. Shrug, I don’t mind Safari that much, and for when AdGuard for Safari isn’t working, I also have AdGuard Home running on my home network. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 14:04:19 @jon I feel no emotional attachment to my browser, but I use firefox. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 14:45:33 @jon Brave, as you get a Chromium experience without Google nasties and a built in ad/tracker blocker |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 15:21:34 @jon |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 15:58:16 @jon @Gargron even though it’s more or less been EOL’d, Arc is by far and away my favorite browser I’ve ever used. Every little UX detail just makes so much sense to me. The chromeless UI, sidebar vertical tabs, folder/favorite/pinned tab organization, auto-archiving tabs, tab spaces, automatic PiP activation, quick actions in the ⌘+T omnibar… |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 16:30:00 @jon I started to really like ARC until recently when I heard they are focusing on a new project. Then I would say Firefox and Safari |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 19:02:09 @jon After dropping Opera, I now mostly use Waterfox. Vivaldi is also on my desktop and laptop. But so is Brave, Firefox and DuckDuckGO. Edge is also on there, but only because MS won't allow me to remove it :( |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 20:49:03 @jon Good relationship maerketing. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:30:49 Give it a try. There is a lot of productivity features to play with. |
Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:58:21 #Firefox got a ton of variants/forks recently. - #Librewolf On Android #Mull (thanks @divested !) So yeah I take Firefox + #Arkenfox user.js or Librewolf if they fixed their CI/CD |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 01:40:10 @jon Safari because it’s fast, reliable, has a beautiful design, fits well in the Apple ecosystem and it’s not Chromium! |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 10:01:59 @jon |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:35:24 @jon Look at Opera Medien: 1 |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:41:02 @jon Nothing else. 🛡️ |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:46:34 @jon I’m currently trying Zen, which is FF inside and Arc outside, basically. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:51:29 @jon Vivaldi. Chromium-based. No AI bullshit. No spyware. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:51:56 Vivaldi is my choice. Here's why: It's the only browser which doesn't force users into AI or is fully relying on ads. It's the only browser I can donate to per month or year (I won't count Mozilla/Firefox in cause Firefox is a product of the commercial part of Mozilla and I found no reason yet to support a 500 Million $ company with donations). |
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Föderation JA Mo 18.11.2024 14:28:18 @jon 日本語で書きます。翻訳サイトなど使ってください。 Chromium系(Elctronも)IMEの処理がおざなりで点線出しとけはいいだろうとしかとれない動作画面です。たまに文節区切りを見失いますし変なところになることがあります。 あとは垂直タブがあるかどうかで、その垂直タブもタブ同士の親子関係が表せられないと意味がないです。 |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 14:49:41 @jon i’m knee deep in firefox for now, but will be trying vivaldi when i get my health back together a bit |
Föderation FR Mo 18.11.2024 18:01:38 @jon de puis que je utilise le navigateur Vivaldi j'ai une paix royale en plus des nombreuse fonctionnalité proposé sur ce navigateur Vivaldi je le trouve formidable merci beaucoup monsieur . |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 19:11:17 @jon I have no favourite browser anymore since Opera 12. I don't want to support the Chromium dominance but Firefox still feels clunky. I have some sympathy for the Zen browser project. And then there's Vivaldi, with a lot of stuff I appreciated when I was still using Opera. But … Chromium, you know 🤷. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:24:31 Indeed, we are using Chromium, but there really is not a lot of choice. I hope you will make the switch. If you liked Opera 12, you will love Vivaldi. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:29:25 @jon I already use Vivaldi since a botched Chromium browser update about a year ago. It's just a little bit sad that there's neither a lot of choice nor something like Chromium project but on a Gecko basis. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:36:14 I wish I could have used Presto, but sadly that is not an option. The Presto code was much better in many ways that both Gecko and Blink. It was all in one. Very little 3rd party code. It compiled in a couple of minutes on a slow computer. At this time the Chromium codebase is the best available. Clearly there is a lot more to a browser than just the core and we modify the core as needed as well, so I hope you see we are providing something special here. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 19:35:25 @jon After testing all the browsers my favourite is Vivaldi due to their focus on privacy and no crypto crap. I also like to browse their forums which has been helpful to me at times. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:24:45 @jon It is my default browsing. Completely customizable, I adjust it to my way and it has many options and pluses such as blog, note taking, RSS reader, translator and much more. |
Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 20:42:31 @jon@social.vivaldi.net Of all time? Galeon |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:48:18 |
Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 21:06:06 @jon@social.vivaldi.net Yes, I didn't dislike it but I stopped using it because it was Chrome based. Even if you have the best of intentions wrt neutering all the evil shit Google sneaks in, there's no guarantees you don't miss something. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 21:11:52 We try our best. We have a dedicated team of developers that have been building browsers for years. Many were with me at Opera. I am not sure what you are looking for in a browser, but quite likely we have it, at least when it comes to functionality and flexibility. Anyways, I hope you find a browser you like soon! |
Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 21:32:36 @jon@social.vivaldi.net With the vendor capture at the W3C having made standards complex enough that it's now impossible for independent developers to realistically ever implement a new engine it's unlikely I'll ever love a browser again. Maybe servo one day. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 21:58:01 As you may know, we built a browser from scratch at Opera. Gradually we built a team of 100 working on it. We wrote all of the code our selves and we did not use libraries much. Following the standards was not the most difficult. Dealing with browsers that did not was. It all started with Mosaic, that ignored standards and then Microsoft tried to take them over. We all fought back through the W3C and things did get better, but then there would be sites that would deny access to our browser, not least Google, Microsoft and Apple. We built a project called Open The Web, where we tried to get sites to code to the standards and not block us. We also tried to get Mozilla in on it, but they said no. Anyways, building a browser from scratch is not an option for us and we had to choose an engine and we felt that Chromium was the safest option. When it comes to your points. You are right on 4 and 5 and on 3 we do provide an ad blocker that we continue to improve. When it comes to speed, there is not much difference between browsers today, when it comes to displaying pages as they mostly use the same core, but when it comes to speed of use, I would think we do well. In particular if you use keyboard shortcuts, mouse gestures and the like. |
Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 22:25:25 @jon@social.vivaldi.net You're persuasive enough that I'm willing to give it another shot since Firefox's management has went all in on A.I. Like I said, I had nothing against your browser other than its choice of engine when I switched back to Firefox. |
Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 22:34:21 Glad you will give it a try. I hope you like it. You are right. It is quite possible more users would move our way if we were based on Gecko. It just felt like a dangerous move and one we could not afford to get wrong. I think we can play an important role in the Chromium community. Opera did play an important role at the W3C. We had more people contributing to the Web standards than anyone else. A strong Vivaldi can play an important role in Chromium, but we need to grow a bit first. |
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Föderation EN Di 19.11.2024 08:48:37 @jon Firefox, because it has good privacy options, and their development tools are very useful |
Föderation EN Di 19.11.2024 17:59:13 @jon #DuckDuckGo is my favorite #Browser & #SearchEngine |
Föderation EN Di 19.11.2024 19:07:52 @jon Firefox, largely because I like supporting an alternative (non-Blink) rendering engine - I think a rendering engine monoculture is very dangerous for the internet as a whole. |
Föderation EN Di 19.11.2024 20:53:20 @jon only now noticed your handle and who you are...and "Feel free to share why." For me having an alternative rendering engine is a key reason to stay loyal to Firefox. So no vivaldi for me though I trust you if you'd say it's wonderful in many other aspects (like features and privacy). |
Föderation EN Mi 20.11.2024 01:22:23 @jon librewolf |
Föderation EN Mi 20.11.2024 01:24:28 @jon I would love to support Vivaldi more than I do but I worry about the Chromium base and also Firefox has its own plugin ecosystem. |
Föderation EN Mi 20.11.2024 15:29:00 @jon I would love to use Vivaldi, but unfortunately the Ad-Blocker on Android isn't very good - Firefox using ublock origin-extension or Brave is doing a much better job there. |