hhmx.de

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:43:35

What is your favorite browser? Feel free to share why.

0% Vivaldi
0% Chrome
0% Edge
0% Safari
0% Firefox
0% Opera
0% Other

0 Stimmabgaben, bis Di 19.11.2024 17:43:35

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:44:57

@jon Firefox for now, because of inertia, but the alternatives are definitely being considered.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:49:52

@jon no option for brave ? 🤔 otherwise i prefer firefox.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:50:08

@jon Vivaldi on android is the only one that does tabs right IMO with the tab bar.
Firefox is nice because it's one of the only ones not using chromium or WebKit and with, finally, vertical tabs I am pretty happy using it on desktop again.
And Vivaldi and Zen Browser because of the amazing split screen feature.
But I prefer Zens sidebar tabs and the fact its also based on Gecko.

So for me it's Zen and Firefox on Desktop and Vivaldi on Android.
Which makes me unable to use sync :/

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:50:21

@jon Firefox, despite Mozilla’s current trajectory because the Chromium monopoly will ultimately harm the web.

Hope to use @servo someday 🤞

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:50:25

@jon I was a long-time Opera aficionado, only dropped it when they switched to WebKit (and then Blink) and the last Presto-based version became obsolete (TLS-wise, mostly). Switched to Firefox, with which I'll stick as long as it maintains Gecko. Would love to jump to Vivaldi, but we need more independent rendering engines for the health of the web.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:52:43

@jon I like Firefox and Vivaldi.

FF is totally open source and often renders fonts better than Chromium-based browsers and the PDF reader is more robust. I'm currently working through an online training module and it's the only PDF program that lets me highlight sections of the provided documentation and will remember changes when I save the document.

Vivaldi has a ton of features and is pretty quick and responsive, especially on Android. Still having odd issues with the mail client and I'm really not sure what to make of or do with the new dashboard though.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 17:53:13

@jon It changes from time to time, but I do keep coming back to Firefox. It fits like a glove in Linux, has good dev tools and is configurable enough

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:00:54

@jon

Firefox because it isn't chromium, and I just like it. With chromium, google controls the web. Doesn't matter what kind of wrapper a third party puts on it. It's still chromium and it's still google.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:06:03

@jon Orion! We got a kagi subscription a while back and I enjoyed it so much I decided to try their browser. It blocks youtube ads on all my devices, so it's a keeper

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:06:54

@jon I was a vivaldi user, and still am, but recently Floorp has won me over. I've been using it full time for the last month, and I'm very happy with it.

floorp.app/en

Föderation · Sa 16.11.2024 18:10:01

@dbug13@mastodon.social @jon@social.vivaldi.net Interesting. So is this basically the Vivaldi of browsers with a Firefox engine? ;)

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:12:44

@trinsec @jon

Pretty much, except, it's better with memory resources. And it lacks some features that I never used in vivaldi. It does not have a built in mail and RSS reader.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:02:42

@dbug13 @trinsec , it is interesting how many browsers take inspiration from Vivaldi. I guess we must be doing something right.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:17:23

@jon Firefox because not chromium based. Vivaldi out of all chromium based

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:17:37

@jon Vivaldi and Zen browsers. Cuz I like customizability. Zen feels faster though. Vivaldi and Fennec on Android.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:25:00

@jon Firefox on Android supports extensions, wish Vivaldi did the same!

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:26:24

@jon I'm positive it's been done with Chromium before too, by the Kiwi browser.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:59:35

@thesdev , we did give it a try, but found that it would require a lot of work to keep it up to date. We have instead focused on building capabilities into Vivaldi which are the main reasons people want extensions.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:28:24

@jon
I use because its without the drama. Plus workspaces!

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:01:04

@geillescas , I have not tried them, but it looks like they have taken some inspiration from Vivaldi. Even marketing.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:06:54

@jon
The marketing bit that convinced me was: "you can log in with your existing Firefox Sync account without any hassle"

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:28:38

@jon
For me I use both Vivaldi and firefox.

I like Vivaldi cause its all about customizability and has decent privacy.

I like firefox because it doesn't have to have chromiums bad choices (not including jpegxl, manifest v3, etc). Of the course the defaults aren't the best, but it is also very customizable (even if its harder to customize than Vivaldi).

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:33:57

@jon Opera from before the switch to chromium remains my favorite to this day, every browser I've used since doesn't feel as feature complete or as fun as Opera did.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:57:08

@p4 , I am very proud of what we built at Opera at that time, but you will find that and more in Vivaldi now.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:35:29

@jon I'll need to take another closer look at it then.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:37:20

@jon I'm a Vivaldi supporter since V1. Because of open privacy (MV3) and open finger printing support I use more & more FF and Zen in the last months ... ;-( But I love Vivaldi, great team support and the Vivaldi style

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:53:00

@jon Vivaldi & Firefox for philosophical reasons ;-)

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:56:56

@jon I don't have a favorite browser at the moment. The one I currently use is brave, but there are several things about it that I don't like.

I've yet to find a browser that doesn't break my workflow in a critical way that also isn't brave.

I have several manifest v2 extensions that I'm not going to be giving up.

So until a browser has a tab discard mechanism that can be configured to not auto un-discard a tab on focus, and has a way to force immediate discarding, brave is where I stay.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:58:39

@jon

asking us to vote between:
- Chrome
- Chrome
- Chrome
- Safari
- Firefox
- Chrome
- other (but mostly Chrome)

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 18:59:11

Hi @jon

As a technology enthusiast, I’d like to share my perspective on this.

Firefox has been my go-to browser for a while, mainly because of:

1. Multi-Account Containers: Perfect for managing multiple profiles or accounts seamlessly.
2. RAM Efficiency: It’s lightweight and doesn’t hog system resources.
3. Privacy Focus: With its 100% open-source nature and stellar reputation as a privacy-first browser, it’s hard to beat.

Vivaldi, on the other hand, has a special place in my heart for its unique and productivity-oriented features:

1. Page Tiling: A brilliant tool for working with multiple pages side by side—ideal for multitaskers.
2. Plain Text/Markdown Notes: This feature is a gem for academic researchers and avid readers like me, making it easy to jot down notes directly from web pages.
3. Web Panels: Super handy for accessing frequently used sites without leaving your main tabs.
4. Customizable Dashboard: A lovely productivity hub and a virtual assistant.

A Few Observations

While Vivaldi excels in many areas, there are a couple of things I’d like to highlight:

High RAM Usage: Vivaldi can be quite demanding on memory.
Text-to-Speech Feature: Adding a natural and seamless "Read Aloud" feature would make it even more user-friendly.

Cheers 😊

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:00:52

@jon Floorp or firedragon. They give me the customization. firedragon has the Librawolf privacy script implemented.  They both have the speed hacks implemented with the push of a button if that’s your thing. 

But at the end of the day, every single browser sucks so pick your poison. None of them are good. They either are gecko or blink with some sugar on top.

Yes, I know servo and LadyBird are coming, but they’re not here yet so they’re not part of the discussion 

Föderation DE Sa 16.11.2024 19:02:41

@jon my favorite browser is Orion by @kagihq kagi.com/orion/

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:13:42

@jon
@Vivaldi is my favorite because it gets so much right, right out of the box and is made by good people.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:28:18

@jon It is like fashion. I switch between WebKit and Gecko.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 19:39:10

@jon Firefox on Desktop, Vivaldi on mobile.

Vivaldi is close for me on Mobile because it works really well, but I'm using the Fennec version of Firefox from F-droid currently and it's a favorite, with Vivaldi close behind. Close on mobile because it's the second closest thing for me on privacy goals, and Firefox & forks on Android are a bit buggy.

Firefox (preferably forks) on desktop fully because of the UI being open source, no slight against Vivaldi for that, I fully understand the reasoning for not doing so. I just prefer open source so I bias towards as much as possible of it when not overly difficult to do so.

I do not trust Mozilla, more open source nature of the app allows me to take trust of ownership out of the equation a bit, especially so with forks.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:27:18

@jon

OmniWeb on NeXTSTEP

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:27:33

@jon I love Safari because it's not chrome & it's got sleek apple design & it means I don't have to use the loathsome firefox

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:28:48

@jon

I use Chromium which is a complete browser that every Chromium based browser uses. It gets the work done.

Firefox for everything else.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:28:49

@jon Other

AVG Secure Browser ^^

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:28:52

@jon Brave... because it loads fast, and has the best built in ad blocking. Please change your ad-blocker accordingly.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:30:00

@jon Team Firefox.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:30:45

@jon
There's no one. Hopefully Servo or Ladybird helps me decide.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:30:52

@jon I use Vivaldi on my Mac because it has a Chromium base, so it has a lot of compatibility benefits that provides, while also providing good privacy and a great experience that I can customize to work how I want it. I used to be a large proponent of Firefox, but I don’t like their recent modus operi of shoving god-knows what into the browser.

I also really like Safari. It’s a great mobile browser, and even on the Mac it gives me good battery life, and syncs across all my Apple devices.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:31:50

@jon I found Zen, which is built on top of Firefox and I love it a lot

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:32:17

@jon I use now (Fork of Firefox).

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:32:26

@jon my favourite is Zen.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:32:30

@jon I have and like Firefox and have used it off and on for years. It also comes standard with Ubuntu, which is the OS I'm currently using. However, I've had some issues with it playing streaming content, so I installed Chromuim (open source browser based on Chrome), and that's what I use most and like a lot. I also have used all the others listed and a few more as well. They're all basically functional. The main issue is privacy, but I haven't been that concerned about it as much as I should.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:34:23

@jon i kind of hate them all, each for a different reason...

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:34:30

@jon None. All have flaws.

Browsers are poorly designed, fundamentally. There is no reason to have media player, etc, into what should be a text / hyperlink display.

The only good thing about Vivaldi is F2ing (screenshot). Otherwise you provide bloatware filled with quirks.

Medien: 1

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:34:53

@jon
Vivaldi because tabs, RSS reader, dashboard. Other: Duck duck go for privacy. I also use Firefox and its forks like Librewolf, but not as much. I haven't even heard of some of the browsers mentioned in the replies; will have to check them out.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:06:09

@akamran , glad you are with us.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:35:27

@jon Ordinare use: Chrome. Security work: Firefox.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:36:13

@jon LibreWolf, a fork of Firefox.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:37:31

@jon Using browser and loving almost all of it. It's like on steroids for UX.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:39:33

@jon under Android only Opera and Aloha, under Windows Chrome and Firefox.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:40:20

@jon Firefox, because it's the only one who hasn't made me "rare things" since I use it and always announce what they're going to put in the browser.
For now it has its clean interface and without any advertising or sponsors, it is also the only one that meets the web standards.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:40:42

@jon
Checked FF on Desktop but use Fennec on Android because it's not Chrome🤷

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:40:47

@jon For me on Windows performance is more or less the same for all the above browsers. Edge is decent and do all what the average user needs. I like Vivaldi because is tweakable (I like the idea of the mail client but something on the UI doesn't work for me, maybe I'm only used with Outlook). Firefox because I use it since it was Phoenix and I'm so sorry it is dieing.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 14:27:57

@zbrando @jon

I agree with this comment. I tried to use the mail client and the UI is very confusing.

The calendar, on the other hand, is a really great feature.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 15:00:41

@rob @zbrando

The mail client has a learning curve, one we are always trying to reduce. On the other hand, it can save you a lot of time, once you get used to it.

A few things to note:
1. You should not have to move mails to folders. Finding mails is generally fast without the need of folders.
2. For each folder, you can decide what to show in that folder when it comes to stuff like read mails, mailing lists, trash, etc. Once you have set that up to your liking, you will save a lot of time and it is a lot less work than to move mails between folders all the time.
3. Important shortcuts : G to mark a mail as read and go to the next one. E to view mail to and from a contact, T to view a thread.
4. Vivaldi differentiates between unseen and unread mails. Unseen are new mails while unread mails are mails you have not marked as read yet.

I know these are new concepts, but there is a reason a lot of us cannot do without this.

Föderation EN Do 21.11.2024 13:00:18

@jon @rob I'll give it a spin again, also because sooner or later the new Outlook will come.
I never used folders, my complains are more about the UI, I find the Outlook UI more comfortable. 🤷
Can I open the mail client always in a new window? With lot of tabs and workspaces I can't find it. 🥴

Föderation EN Do 21.11.2024 13:33:25

@zbrando @rob

If you have more details on what you prefer in the Outlook UI, feel free to share that with me. Always interested in feedback.

If you want to have the mail client in a separate window, the easiest way is just to have a separate install where you run the mail client.

Other than that, finding the mail tab is easy if you click a folder in the mail panel. You can also pin the mail tab so it is always in the left corner.

There is a bit of learning curve here and it will be different from Outlook, but IMHO it is worth it.

Föderation · Sa 16.11.2024 20:41:36

I use Vivaldi but I would really like to see more attention to quality. Breaking things randomly in minor releases and then taking half a year to fix them is not okay, guys. A public issue tracker would also help, instead of the scream-into-the-void bug report form. I understand that you've taken everything from the old Opera team, but this part should've been left behind.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:41:52

@jon I use a plethora of browsers.

I'm migrating fron Firefox to LibreWolf (sorry, I prefer non-chrome based browsers), but have a Ungoogled Chromium as a backup those times Firefox/LibreWolf doesn't cut it (I thought the world had learnt a lesson from the IE days; seems we need to educate a new generation web hipsters).

On Android I use the default browser (in @e_mydata) for a few news/blog sites, Mull and Vivaldi for some other sites and DuckDuckGo when searching. Default browser is Mull with Privacy Mode enabled by default.

I honestly don't like that the Chrome based browsers seems to be dominating these days. We need a heterogeneous web render environment to ensure a single dominant player does not dictate how things will be for users.

And without such competition, I fear there will be a lesser drive to further improve browsers. Just like when Netscape seemed too complacent with their own browsers back in the days.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:42:15

@jon Firefox. Especially because it has containers.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:43:17

@jon Vivaldi and Waterfox.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:43:29

@jon DuckDuckGo

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:44:50

@jon Edge.. the unpopular choice!

I dunno I find it fastest, but I'm also using windows

Double criminal

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:47:21

@culturalfawa

Have you tried Vivaldi?

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:45:59

@jon about:config

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:46:06

@jon brave o waterfox

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:48:06

@jon Firefox because of the extensions and it doesn’t use Chromium.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:49:44

@jon Firefox, for the last ~20 years. I've switched to something else a few times, but I always end up coming back when whatever it was I switched to turns to garbage in various ways.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:50:20

@jon I voted for Firefox/other. I really use Librewolf on desktop and Mull on Android. They are privacy-respecting.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:50:33

@jon right now zen browser

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 20:54:41

@jon Hands down Lynx. No javascript, no images, no self-playing movies.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:01:20

@jon
I’ve used Firefox as long as i can remember, before that i used Netscape.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:02:00

@jon I use Watefox, based on Firefox, has Mozilla login/sync and an Android client too

Föderation DE Sa 16.11.2024 21:02:38

@jon Code infused Silverlight™, so it makes the Software and Hardware better from running.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:07:33

@jon Firefox, because I never want to play "choose your favorite Chrome frontend"

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:08:26

@jon Librewolf, because it is not Google controlled then Vivaldi and Brave they all have different uses

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:09:28

@jon

I use a browser called "Brave". Mostly because I believe it to be the most privacy centric browser available outside of TOR browser.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:09:33

@jon Selected
Opera for the Android mobile version with auto-reflow on zoom.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:10:32

@jon

I currently use:

Firefox on the desktop
Librewolf on the Linux laptop
Waterfox on my main phone

Vivaldi on my other persona on desktop, laptop and second phone.

Also going to try Floop and Zen.

Ostensibly I want to use Firefox forks but I find Vivaldi pretty cool despite being Chromium, especially on mobile.

TBH, none of them are ideal. I'd love to have one browser with multiple profiles across multiple devices, but I find that doesn't work for me.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:11:30

@jon Firefox for now because fuck Chrome/Chromium, but now that Mozilla makes more and more poor decisions I'm hoping that Ladybird will turn out well.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:12:41

@jon Firefox, because of the non-monoculture rendering engine.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:16:30

@jon NCSA Mosaic

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:16:37

@jon I have several : Floorp, Dillo+, Tor Browser, Vivaldi, Ladybird top my list.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:18:21

@jon Firefox and Brave for me. I like both

Föderation SR Sa 16.11.2024 21:26:58

@jon Firefox, for two reasons: it’s free software and still trying to maintain rendering engine diversity.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:32:17

@jon Safari, because all my passwords live in iCloud, and I really like how the touch gestures for back and forward work.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:37:02

@jon to say that mozilla drove firefox into the ground is an understatement, but right now gecko/firefox (and derivatives) is the only engine/browser that is a viable alternative to blink/chromium monopoly.
in its current state, webkit doesn't stand a chance. plus, i can't live without firefox container tabs and ublock origin.

TL;DR: all browsers suck and i have no favorite, but firefox sucks the least and it is my browser of choice for most things.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:42:40

@jon Firefox and Fennec is great overall between mobile and desktop, especially since extensions for both platforms are supported. Zen looks promising. For chromium, Brave is good, even though I don't like their branding.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 21:55:46

@jon Vivaldi. No dns leaks. Super fast. Sync is nice. Dark mode is so good. Integrated ad/tracker blocker works well.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:04:20

@jon Waterfox. It's like Firefox but with all the telemetry crap culled.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:05:48

I've been using it at home for quite some time now. I wonder though why some corporate environments started outright blocking Vivaldi.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:13:40

@jon - on desktop/android: Brave, current chromium based, open source, excellent ad blocking, with the dumb crypto stuff and any "phoning home" easy to turn off, the only one to pass all parts of EFF's browser privacy test, and no embedded tracker libraries. Downside: I do not like the ethics of their CEO.
2nd place on desktop: Librewolf, a current Firefox fork, with the telemetry back to Mozilla turned off.
2nd place on android: Pluma, very lightweight, with good ad blocking

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:14:43

@jon - open source every part of Vivalid and then I could consider it for daily driver use.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:25:51

@jon Vivaldi because it's the most like Opera 12.18 and before, at least in spirit.

LibreWolf in second place because it's more privacy focused than FireFox and I got used to FireFox between opera's terrible switch to being chromium-based and Vivaldi being available.

Föderation DE Sa 16.11.2024 22:26:05

@jon Firefox, but I can’t really explain why because it’s a lot of tiny things that make it better, but the fact it isn’t Chromium-based is probably the most significant point. And probably a bit of nostalgia too.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:28:03

@jon Others browser are difficult to use on a Chromebook.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:32:37

@jon Orion for macOS (it uses WebKit, framework-native Mac application)

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:35:53

@jon Firefox still allows adblocking, although the bullshit from the Mozilla Foundation is worrying. They seem hellbent on wasting this opportunity.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:45:11

@jon Firefox because of its tweaks. I admire what Vivaldi has achieved, but Firefox can achieve almost the same with extensions. The only thing missing in Firefox are native tab groups, but they are a work in progress according to their site.

If Firefox vanished tomorrow, I would quite likely use Vivaldi. I was an Opera user in the old days. Vivaldi is the only browser that follows that spirit today.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 17:37:32

@tedel

Thanks for your kind words. Did you try Workspaces in Vivaldi as well? Quick commands? The searchable Window panel?

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 20:45:46

@jon Yes, I did. I'm not fan of Workspaces, but I get the idea. Quick comands, not yet; the searchable windows not either.

I do not tend to have so many tabs open at the same time, I guess.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:54:01

@jon OK, I tried them. They are nice to have, but for users who manage many tabs at the same time. It is not my case.

One thing I like a lot about Firefox is the about:config page. My main change is content.notify.backoffcount > 0. It stops the browser partial refreshes, and shows a web page only when its parts finished loading. In my experience, it makes the browsing faster and more comfortable for my eyes.

It could be a nice switch to have in Vivaldi too.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:54:25

@jon (Although Chromium-based browsers' main selling point is speed.)

Firefox does not have tab groups or workspaces (yet?) but you can mimic the experience with Sidebery.

Related links:
kb.mozillazine.org/Content.not
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 22:50:24

@jon Floorp. Firefox with better privacy and better interface.

Föderation RU Sa 16.11.2024 23:25:02

@jon I found out that also Edge is quite nice. Very friendly, the tabs can be moved to the side position, the same panel as in Vivaldi, excellent translator. But there is not so easy to switch between search engines, also not so easy to switch to the main workspace, and there's almost no Speed Dial.
I've been living with Edge (on macOS, imagine) for some months when Vivaldi has several annoying bugs, but later I came back to Vivaldi, and now Edge is my second browser, for some different cases :) Good luck!

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:37:45

@jon can't live without Vivaldi's workspaces

But I heard they too will eventually capitulate in Google's fight against ad blockers and when that happens I guess I'll have to learn

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:23:28

@VileLasagna

We will do our best to keep you happy. We will not least continue to improve our ad blocker.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:12:13

@jon It IS pretty good, sure. At the very least it doesn't randomly block my own collabora server unlike uBlock Origin.

But ultimately it's just not good enough. So the day I can't run uBlock Origin, my browsing experience will be immediately horrible

This is VERY MUCH a deal breaker. Overnight the browser will become essentially unusable. And I know because I use the mobile version already where I can't install an adblocker and... yeah, it sucks

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:46:37

@jon even if Firefox is my 1st option, but is the 2nd option and I use it almost daily

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:49:51

@jon Big fan of Vivaldi....and Brave. I'd love to love another

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:21:53

@darthkielbasa , thanks for your support!

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:53:57

@jon DuckDuckGo. Why wasn't it included in this list?

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:59:15

@dedicto , there is only room for that many choices, so some browsers are not included.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:57:25

@jon Use Firefox for regular and Mullvad browser for advanced. Additionally, tor but rare personally.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:57:44

@jon Safari is by far the best at just being a web browser and getting out of your way. It's fast, the UI is simple and straightforward, the features it does have feel relevant.

Föderation · Sa 16.11.2024 23:58:43

Vivaldi has been my daily driver since 1.0, i can’t live without tab tiling and vertical tabs in my work. Would love to have the ability to sort my open tabs by domain or an alpha sort.


Please continue to improve the Adblock functions. It doesn’t compare to manifest v2 ublock origin yet.


Loving 7.0 so far!


Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:21:12

@Mossheart

Glad to hear that. Thanks for your support.

Have you tried looking at the Windows panel? You can sort tabs there. The search there is pretty helpful as well.

We continue to work on the ad blocker. It will continue to improve.

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:58:55

@jon Zen-Browser forked from Firefox. @zenbrowser

Föderation EN Sa 16.11.2024 23:59:16

@jon
On the desktop, I use , the fork. But, on Android, I prefer the Browser.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 00:04:57

@jon Librewolf is just better than firefox.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:05:28

@jon I like Vivaldi as it reminds me of when I was using Opera around 2008. It has any embedded things like a Feed reader, email, translation and such.

Compatible with Chrome extensions and with vertical tabs.

Also Edge was good enough to work, and now I have to use Chrome which is pretty standard to be productive.

I use Zen for personal stuff and I get a similar feeling as a better Firefox after it self destroyed for me.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:10:28

@jon I voted for “other” and the other is Arc. I’m in love with it, even now when it’s almost discontinued in a sense.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:12:03

@jon Vivaldi + Brave All features potential of Vivaldi (panels, second-level tabs, workspaces, page actions, page tiling, translator, reading list...) + privacy/cookies/certificates/ad-blocker... features of Brave

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:26:56

@jon FIrefox, but it's not my favorite browser. It's the (alleged) alternative to Google. Firefox a lot of the time is very unstable, and crashes. It takes roughly 40 minutes to be usable after it starts to load duckduckgo...."contacting improving duckduckgo" takes up most of the 40 minutes.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 01:45:18

@jon Vivaldi is just like home.

The workspaces, the customizability, tab stacking...

it’s made with love

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:44:15

@claridelune , glad you like it!

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:03:16

@jon is by far the best. It saves me so much time. I need to have many tabs open in several windows in several virtual desktops in several monitors. Workspaces, tabs stacking and tab search are lifesavers. The quick search has a built-in calculator that I use all the time. It's the most innovative and customizable browser there is. Sync is flawless. I use it in Mac, Windows and Android.

would be my 2nd choice. I like how fast it loads in my old Windows laptop, probably because it's pre-loaded. I like the way Bing presents the search results and the Copilot integration. I love the read-aloud feature. It recognizes the language automatically and it sounds very natural.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:04:23

@jon Chrome: tab groups.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:43:32

@cassolotl

Have your tried tab stacks and workspaces in Vivaldi?

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:27:16

@jon Personally I like Zen Browser, it’s open-source Arc like browser which I really like

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:34:57

@jon I use safari on Mac as it is the only browser that works with the Apple Passwords app. If Vivaldi worked with it I would use that instead

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:51:10

@jon

I'm sure somebody here is going to yell at me... But Arc is so damn good on a laptop.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 02:54:41

@jon Firefox to Vivaldi primary recent convert here.

Loads of reasons:
- not happy with Mozilla's direction lately
- don't like Chrome
- don't mind Safari but I don't want to be tied to Apple for my primary browser even though I'm a MacBook + iPhone user at the moment

Vivaldi almost wins by default at this point, but it has plenty to recommend it
- built in anti tracking / Adblock features feel "just right"
- works with my password manager Chrome extension
- workspaces
- generally nice to use

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:40:54

@snarfmason , glad you like it!

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 03:23:49

@jon a good browser has good dev tools, and an absence of AI bullshit.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:32:12

@jon I went with "Other" because my favorite browser doesn't exist yet.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:38:55

@jon This list only has 3 browsers on it.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 04:49:11

I mostly use zen browser now. I like it quite a bit. It feels more modern and has a lot of nice features while being based on Firefox. I really don’t like contributing to the stranglehold that chromium — and therefore google — have on the browser market share when I can help it. If I can’t use a Firefox based browser I try WebKit based ones. I only really use chromium based browsers as a last resort or because of electron apps.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 05:09:46

@jon Vivaldi. Because it's better than Firefox. Haters gonna hate.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 05:26:36

@jon I use Vivaldi for several years on both, desktop (Windows) and mobile (Android), and i can tell you all without fear, without no regrets, that it give me all what i need to surf internet on the better and secure way i ever prof with any other browser

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 05:41:03

@jon brave and librewolf

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 07:10:43

@jon
I don't have one anymore. They all seem to either embraced tge AI BS, will be ruined be Google's F-ing manifest v3, ir they're made by yucky folk.

As soon as anyone outs out a browser that just shows websites and allows for best possible privacy without dicking around, I'll use that.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 07:25:31

@jon logiciel libre, respect de la vie privée, non inféodé aux GAFAM

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 07:50:19

@jon I'll bite.
Does anyone use or ?
I use (Snapshot) for stock trading, to watch Twitch, & as my main browser.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 08:52:11

@jon my next browser will be something different maybe ladybird or a browser with servo web engine.
Currently i am using brave and firefox i have tested vivaldi but i find this to be more bloated...and vivaldis selling point is not something unique it is a over skined chromium fork.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:16:04

@jon Brave

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:17:05

@jon
Because 'Vivaldi' is simply the world's best browser for me.

Especially on 'Linux'.
And has been for a long time.

I think it's also worth taking a closer look at the 'Vivaldiserve' behind it. ;-)

Currently Firefox in first place, then Safari just ahead of Vivaldi here. :tony_unhappy:

I think many people here have simply not yet looked at Vivaldi for all platforms.
Based on 'Chromium', 100% open source.

:tony_happy: :tony_smiling: :tony_wee:

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:29:25

@jon Edge because it's the only one on the market that has an option to:

1. Ask if you want to open or save the download
2. If the user wants to open it without saving, it saves it in a temporary directory
3. Automatically deletes that downloaded file when closing the browser

I like to keep my downloads folder clean, sorry 😢

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 09:48:22

@jon Firefox, because its the only real alternative to chrome and its clones, firefox its still the most customizable browser, vivaldi its the second, but the biggest con of vivaldi feels that its the slower among chrome clones

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:15:00

@jon LibreWolf for privacy &
Vivaldi for functionality

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:36:00

@jon
Many, many comments here. :tony_laughing:

So a lot of interest in this question.
No wonder really, here on 'Mastodon'.

Veery good. :tony_wee:

Maybe someone else is interested in digging through here. ;-) ;-)

I'm sure several people will take a closer look at the 'Vivaldiserve' afterwards.
vivaldi.com

:tony_smiling: :tony_happy:

Föderation PT So 17.11.2024 10:46:31

@jon Chrome for better Android integration and web unfortunately is made thinking chrome, some sites not open correctly in Firefox so ... A maintain Firefox for web development only, every other task Chrome

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 10:48:41

@jon

I'm pretty sure this just reflects "people who know what a browser is", or least "people who know enough about browsers to have an opinion".

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 11:14:56

@jon Firefox for the gecko engine vs the overwhelming power (and use) of Chrome's Blink.

Föderation DE So 17.11.2024 11:17:32

@jon Different Browsers for different situations
- Safari
- Edge
- Brave

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 13:01:40

@jon Firefox is my favorite when I can use it, but at least on my new Mac, I found Firefox was misbehaving for inexplicable reasons. Shrug, I don’t mind Safari that much, and for when AdGuard for Safari isn’t working, I also have AdGuard Home running on my home network.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 14:04:19

@jon I feel no emotional attachment to my browser, but I use firefox.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 14:45:33

@jon Brave, as you get a Chromium experience without Google nasties and a built in ad/tracker blocker

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 15:21:34

@jon
Just wish Google was not used in vivaldi , so when I don't want their influence I use ddg . if there is a way to keep Google completely out of Vivaldi. I'd like to know how.
Thanks MTT

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 15:58:16

@jon @Gargron even though it’s more or less been EOL’d, Arc is by far and away my favorite browser I’ve ever used. Every little UX detail just makes so much sense to me. The chromeless UI, sidebar vertical tabs, folder/favorite/pinned tab organization, auto-archiving tabs, tab spaces, automatic PiP activation, quick actions in the ⌘+T omnibar…

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 16:30:00

@jon I started to really like ARC until recently when I heard they are focusing on a new project. Then I would say Firefox and Safari

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 19:02:09

@jon After dropping Opera, I now mostly use Waterfox. Vivaldi is also on my desktop and laptop. But so is Brave, Firefox and DuckDuckGO. Edge is also on there, but only because MS won't allow me to remove it :(

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 20:49:03

@jon Good relationship maerketing.
I used Firefox for many years, and I loved it. Before, I was a Netscape user. But Firefox's performance deteriorated over the years, and I switched to Chrome. When I discovered Brave, I moved to it, but it also had some issues, so I´m back to Chrome. Performance and productivity features are great. I am just very aware of data protection issues when using Google products. Still, use Firefox and Brave for some activities. Would Vivaldi be a good alternative?

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:30:49

@IPuyosa

Give it a try. There is a lot of productivity features to play with.

Föderation EN So 17.11.2024 21:58:21

@jon

got a ton of variants/forks recently.

-
-
-
-

On Android (thanks @divested !)

So yeah I take Firefox + user.js or Librewolf if they fixed their CI/CD

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 01:40:10

@jon Safari because it’s fast, reliable, has a beautiful design, fits well in the Apple ecosystem and it’s not Chromium!

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 10:01:59

@jon
I love Vivaldi for the theme. The overall design is awesome.
I also love Safari because the battery duration feels way longer when using a Mac.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:35:24

@jon Look at Opera

Medien: 1

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:41:02

@jon
Safari on iOS (with extensions);
LibreWolf on Windows.

Nothing else. 🛡️

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:46:34

@jon I’m currently trying Zen, which is FF inside and Arc outside, basically.
Re: why, I think Chrome is the new IE6, and we need more engines to keep the web open

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:51:29

@jon Vivaldi. Chromium-based. No AI bullshit. No spyware.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 13:51:56

@jon

Vivaldi is my choice.

Here's why: It's the only browser which doesn't force users into AI or is fully relying on ads. It's the only browser I can donate to per month or year (I won't count Mozilla/Firefox in cause Firefox is a product of the commercial part of Mozilla and I found no reason yet to support a 500 Million $ company with donations).
Finally: Vivaldi is the only browser company I know of which is owned by the employees.
PLUS: There actually IS a Mastodon instance!

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 14:17:04

@jon

General usage: LibreWolf
Dev: Polypane by @Kilian

Föderation JA Mo 18.11.2024 14:28:18

@jon 日本語で書きます。翻訳サイトなど使ってください。
Firefoxは唯一日本語IMEの動作を正しく行ってくれます。なので文節などの変換が見やすく、安心できます。拡張が多くても不安定になりにくいです。Quantumは正しい判断だったと思います。

Chromium系(Elctronも)IMEの処理がおざなりで点線出しとけはいいだろうとしかとれない動作画面です。たまに文節区切りを見失いますし変なところになることがあります。

あとは垂直タブがあるかどうかで、その垂直タブもタブ同士の親子関係が表せられないと意味がないです。
ということでFirefox+Tree Style Tabが使いやすく、その次にVivaldiが来ます。

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 14:49:41

@jon i’m knee deep in firefox for now, but will be trying vivaldi when i get my health back together a bit

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 16:40:51

@jon I run with @Waterfox and @brave on my daily machines, but have access to , , and for UI testing.

Föderation FR Mo 18.11.2024 18:01:38

@jon de puis que je utilise le navigateur Vivaldi j'ai une paix royale en plus des nombreuse fonctionnalité proposé sur ce navigateur Vivaldi je le trouve formidable merci beaucoup monsieur .

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 19:11:17

@jon I have no favourite browser anymore since Opera 12. I don't want to support the Chromium dominance but Firefox still feels clunky. I have some sympathy for the Zen browser project. And then there's Vivaldi, with a lot of stuff I appreciated when I was still using Opera. But … Chromium, you know 🤷.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:24:31

@fluchtkapsel

Indeed, we are using Chromium, but there really is not a lot of choice. I hope you will make the switch. If you liked Opera 12, you will love Vivaldi.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:29:25

@jon I already use Vivaldi since a botched Chromium browser update about a year ago. It's just a little bit sad that there's neither a lot of choice nor something like Chromium project but on a Gecko basis.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:36:14

@fluchtkapsel

I wish I could have used Presto, but sadly that is not an option. The Presto code was much better in many ways that both Gecko and Blink. It was all in one. Very little 3rd party code. It compiled in a couple of minutes on a slow computer.

At this time the Chromium codebase is the best available.

Clearly there is a lot more to a browser than just the core and we modify the core as needed as well, so I hope you see we are providing something special here.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 19:35:25

@jon After testing all the browsers my favourite is Vivaldi due to their focus on privacy and no crypto crap. I also like to browse their forums which has been helpful to me at times.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:24:45

@jon It is my default browsing. Completely customizable, I adjust it to my way and it has many options and pluses such as blog, note taking, RSS reader, translator and much more.

Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 20:42:31

@jon@social.vivaldi.net Of all time? Galeon

Today? I don't like any of them.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 20:48:18

@driusan

Interesting. I had to look up Galeon.

Did you try Vivaldi?

Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 21:06:06

@jon@social.vivaldi.net Yes, I didn't dislike it but I stopped using it because it was Chrome based. Even if you have the best of intentions wrt neutering all the evil shit Google sneaks in, there's no guarantees you don't miss something.

(Since then Firefox's leadership has gotten bad enough that I don't know if that's really a differentiating factor anymore, which is why I say now I don't like any of them.)

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 21:11:52

@driusan

We try our best. We have a dedicated team of developers that have been building browsers for years. Many were with me at Opera.

I am not sure what you are looking for in a browser, but quite likely we have it, at least when it comes to functionality and flexibility.

Anyways, I hope you find a browser you like soon!

Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 21:32:36

@jon@social.vivaldi.net With the vendor capture at the W3C having made standards complex enough that it's now impossible for independent developers to realistically ever implement a new engine it's unlikely I'll ever love a browser again. Maybe servo one day.

I do think you try your best and appreciate your attempts at trying to create a new browser and Vivaldi's involvement in the fediverse, so in the interest of your market research what I most look for in a browser are:

1. Speed
2. Simplicity
3. Ad blocking
4. A lack of surveillance capitalism monitoring
5. A lack of any involvement with A.I. or crypto

I don't think Vivaldi is guilty of 4 or 5, but it's built on an engine by a company where that is its DNA. It's increasingly a problem with Firefox as well, but all things being equal I still prefer to vainly use a different engine to at least hold off the monoculture a little longer.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 21:58:01

@driusan

As you may know, we built a browser from scratch at Opera. Gradually we built a team of 100 working on it. We wrote all of the code our selves and we did not use libraries much.

Following the standards was not the most difficult. Dealing with browsers that did not was. It all started with Mosaic, that ignored standards and then Microsoft tried to take them over. We all fought back through the W3C and things did get better, but then there would be sites that would deny access to our browser, not least Google, Microsoft and Apple.

We built a project called Open The Web, where we tried to get sites to code to the standards and not block us. We also tried to get Mozilla in on it, but they said no.

Anyways, building a browser from scratch is not an option for us and we had to choose an engine and we felt that Chromium was the safest option.

When it comes to your points. You are right on 4 and 5 and on 3 we do provide an ad blocker that we continue to improve. When it comes to speed, there is not much difference between browsers today, when it comes to displaying pages as they mostly use the same core, but when it comes to speed of use, I would think we do well. In particular if you use keyboard shortcuts, mouse gestures and the like.

Föderation · Mo 18.11.2024 22:25:25

@jon@social.vivaldi.net You're persuasive enough that I'm willing to give it another shot since Firefox's management has went all in on A.I. Like I said, I had nothing against your browser other than its choice of engine when I switched back to Firefox.

I understand that you have technical reasons for having chosen it, but I think you misjudged the impact of that choice from a cultural/social standpoint with respect to Vivaldi's most likely users.

Föderation EN Mo 18.11.2024 22:34:21

@driusan

Glad you will give it a try. I hope you like it.

You are right. It is quite possible more users would move our way if we were based on Gecko. It just felt like a dangerous move and one we could not afford to get wrong.

I think we can play an important role in the Chromium community. Opera did play an important role at the W3C. We had more people contributing to the Web standards than anyone else. A strong Vivaldi can play an important role in Chromium, but we need to grow a bit first.

Föderation EN Di 19.11.2024 08:48:37

@jon Firefox, because it has good privacy options, and their development tools are very useful

Föderation EN Di 19.11.2024 19:07:52

@jon Firefox, largely because I like supporting an alternative (non-Blink) rendering engine - I think a rendering engine monoculture is very dangerous for the internet as a whole.

Föderation EN Di 19.11.2024 20:53:20

@jon only now noticed your handle and who you are...and "Feel free to share why."

For me having an alternative rendering engine is a key reason to stay loyal to Firefox.

So no vivaldi for me though I trust you if you'd say it's wonderful in many other aspects (like features and privacy).

Föderation EN Mi 20.11.2024 01:22:23

@jon librewolf

Föderation EN Mi 20.11.2024 01:24:28

@jon I would love to support Vivaldi more than I do but I worry about the Chromium base and also Firefox has its own plugin ecosystem.

Föderation EN Mi 20.11.2024 15:29:00

@jon I would love to use Vivaldi, but unfortunately the Ad-Blocker on Android isn't very good - Firefox using ublock origin-extension or Brave is doing a much better job there.