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· Föderation EN Sa 22.03.2025 23:17:27 MLS (Messaging Layer Security) being talked about. Proposed for DMs for Bluesky. @pfrazee.com mentioned this during his talk. @rabble mentioning that they have done tests of MLS on Nostr. |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.03.2025 23:20:00 Someone pointing out that — MLS (Messaging Layer Security) would introduce centralization to Bluesky. |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.03.2025 23:32:31 Some people arguing that Signal should make it so others can integrate them more easily. So that Bluesky could use them for direct messaging (DMing). |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.03.2025 23:45:57 From @boris : This conference to kick of many working-groups and many special-interest-groups, that go off and do their thing. |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.03.2025 23:48:14 Person from Germ Network (direct messaging) here. @boris strongly encouraging them to be part of DM working group, for ATProto. A number of questions about them. |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.03.2025 23:51:06 . @boris mentioning @darius fork of Mastodon — hometown. |
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Föderation EN Sa 22.03.2025 23:56:28 Someone pointing out that — When you have E2EE (end to end encryption) you have to do all the work on the client-side — since the client-side is the only one that can decrypt it. ( @reiver note: that isn't completely true — there are some encryption techniques that can allow certain operations on cyphertext.) |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 03:34:09 At the "Big Time Brewery & Alehouse" after-event. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 04:34:30 Talking to people who made https://dazzle.fm/ ( https://bsky.app/profile/johnsabath.com , https://bsky.app/profile/connerruhl.bsky.social , https://bsky.app/profile/attentionshoppers.bsky.social ) They are all ex- StabilityAI. It shows trending topics & articles based on data from the Bluesky firehose relay. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 17:14:17 Day 2 of #ATmosphereConf |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 17:36:22 3 simultaneous tracks today. Only 1 recorded. (A function of how popular the 1st day was.) |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 17:39:11 Erin Kissane ( @kissane ) on stage via a video feed. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 17:41:47 . @kissane was introduced as someone who is trying to get more software developers involved with journalism. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 17:47:04 Things that affected @kissane 's perspective: - Covid tracking project |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:09:20 . @kissane notes & citations for her talk at: https://erinkissane.com/atconf (URL won't work at time of posting this, but should work later.) |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:19:52 Someone from the audience talking to @kissane about: Sometimes, someone or some group who was at one time oppressed, later becomes the oppressor. How do you go about identifying that, and addressing that in the systems you create. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:22:55 . @kissane talked a bit about the history of the Black Panthers (in the U.S.) creating free medical clinics and free schools. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:50:17 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) on stage. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:51:54 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ): Blacksky is built on #RustLang |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:53:40 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) mentioned this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/17/opinion/charity-philanthropy-mutual-aid.html |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:54:32 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) mentioned this article: |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:55:17 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) values can be summarized as: Software as resistance |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 18:58:11 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ): CashApp not designed for mutual-aid, but it has been used for it. A parallel for decentralized social-media, too. Can be used for things it is not designed for. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:00:38 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : Decentralized Social-Media protocols have horse-less carriage syndrome — People are trying to build things that look at lot like things in the past. (But it doesn't have to. It can be something new.) |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:06:49 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) mentioned: Bobby Lee Rush |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:08:47 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : Bluesky more geared towards 1B people sized communities. Fediverse more geared towards 100K person sized communities. Nothing in the middle for 1M people sized communities. (Blacksky is there.) |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:10:05 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : People don't want to be just stuck in one community. But also want access to other communities. And have access to the wider world. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:11:12 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : Content moderation should be on a per community basis. How do you build tech to enable that? |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:13:50 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : Blacksky is really a number of separate communities grouped together. (Ex: blackademics.) |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:15:11 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) and other build their own Bluesky PDS from scratch. https://github.com/blacksky-algorithms/rsky And, and working on their own relay now. . |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:21:13 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : Build for the community you want to work with. What others think does not matter — ignore them. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:29:10 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : Remove technical barriers so regular people can use it. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:30:44 Rudy Fraser ( https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com ) : You don't need 100 people to like you — you just need 10 people to love you. Build for them. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:41:33 Moved over to 1 of the 3 unrecorded sessions. (Will watch the recorded session later. Hopefully other post about the 2 other unrecorded sessions.) |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:44:45 A discussion about video on ATProto. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:48:30 Talking about using Blueskt social-graph to have content on day 1. So, deal with the chicken-and-the-egg problem — of audience and content. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:55:22 Someone asking about maybe there are content creators who don't want their post to go to all of Bluesky. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 19:58:12 Now https://spark.social/ being discussed. Another short-form video for Bluesky. They have their on PDSes, relay, etc. Also have their own lexicons. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:13:20 Someone said: The only reason YouTube gave such a good cut of ad revenue to creators is that — back in the day, they had competitors who were giving better cuts. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:14:13 Same person: Focus on the economics of the platform first — make it a viable sustainable platform — to attract a creator. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:15:59 Same person — Some people are making money on Threads. Viral controversial content seems to make money. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:17:57 Someone else mentioned this person who does a deep dive Threads payments to creators: |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:24:16 Someone said — Decentralized social-media is also an opportunity to make a better advertising system. Block bad advertisers. Allow good advertisers. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:27:00 Someone pointing out that — even though it is popular to hate cryptocurrencies nowadays — there are some places in the world where a person's only practical option to receive an international payment is cryptocurrencies. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:31:34 Using signatures to address deep-fake. As evidence that, for example, a video actually came from a camera. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:33:54 Person from https://stream.place/ talking. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:37:47 I mentioned #GreatApe |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 20:51:22 . @pfrazee.com mentioning that AWS will pull your account if you do not respond quick enough to copyright claims. Even when the claims are BS claims from trolls. Doesn't matter the time of the day or the day or the week. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 22:04:55 In room with @darius talking, for his discussion. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 22:16:57 . @blaine : Bluesky and Fediverse are going to end up with very, very similar protocols, as they each fix their problems. They are both already talking about bringing in things from the other. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 22:18:03 . @darius : Bluesky seems like it is getting an inbox / outbox style architecture — just like the Fediverse. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 22:21:02 . @darius : One problem with ActivityPub is that — it doesn't actually say anything about federation. And, different Fediverse software does it differently. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 22:42:05 Medien: 1 |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 23:08:45 @evan my point is there are no rules of the road for how content should be sent around the network. It's how you get phenomena like "boost leaking" that can get around blocks |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 23:41:51 @darius I think the current best practice is to only use inclusion by ID for the `Announce` activity, for this very reason. But I agree that the public-except-unpublished-denylist access mode is really hard to make work right. I also think there are trade-offs between the efficiency of sending activities with lots of data, and the level of control when sending minimal activities. I have a long section about this in my book, but it might be good to include guidance in the Primer or the next AP. |
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Föderation EN So 23.03.2025 23:42:17 @evan agreed! |
