They didn't publish the code? Lame.

And sus.

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@timnitGebru Openwashing is everywhere. If we don’t protect our concepts, they’ll be taken away from us for profit.

@timnitGebru W-Why would they call it open source if 2. isn't met...

@timnitGebru also, the model is definitely not open source.

@timnitGebru It's truly amazing that so many in the tech community have come to interpret "I can download this opaque binary blob and run it myself by cannot modify it" as "open source", when that used to quite literally be the definition of proprietary, closed code.

At some point it seems "open source" just became code for "downloadable for free". I have no idea when or how that happened but it's a damn shame. Personally I blame an entire generation of technologists who grew up with SaaS.

@timnitGebru yes! of course, the rights, which none of them give.

@timnitGebru What about the euporean ALIA? I couldn't figure out if it was wholly trained with licensed stuff. Some people claim they did.

@timnitGebru Eugh, that’s disappointing, but it was to be expected of course. MSM completely misrepresented this again.

@timnitGebru IBM granite models are said to be open source. They even give cover customer in court for accusation data would be stolen. https://www.ibm.com/granite

@timnitGebru the folks at OSI did a good job defining that just in time:
https://opensource.org/ai

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@timnitGebru All Ai enter the octagon. Only one will emerge victorious.

@timnitGebru I think the Pleias 1.0 model gets close? unless I've misunderstood what they've open sourced. https://huggingface.co/blog/Pclanglais/common-models

@timnitGebru based

@festal

i have never understood what people mean, when they talk about the "stolen data" of AI. every search engine crawls the net, the internet data base backs versions of webpages up, the idea of open source is based on re-using and modifying "data" of others, artists make collages from other images, the whole concept of "knowledge" ist based on the use of other knowledge... so, what exactly does Ai do differently?

@timnitGebru Nextcloud has an "ethical ai rating" which takes the availability of the training data into account. Admittedly there are very few getting the "green" rating but it's not nothing:
https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/ai/overview.html#ethical-ai-rating

@timnitGebru seems like this just happened
https://partyon.xyz/@nullagent/113910751007147374

@timnitGebru I don´t need open source stuff, we wanna FREE stuff ;)

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Sky-T1 is supposed to fill all these criteria, from what I read...

@timnitGebru 💯

@timnitGebru The Beaverton was On Point yesterday, though.
https://thebeaverton.com/2025/01/chinas-new-and-cheaper-magic-beans-shock-americas-unprepared-magic-bean-salesmen/

@timnitGebru@dair-community.social good point! i guess to call the trained model open source then you need the data, but you can consider the model itself open source with just the code (i think). still, i agree with the sentiment, that its not really open source either way you look at it, it's free software at best.

@timnitGebru who called it open source without having the source code? wth?

@timnitGebru For me, the only valuable thing about Deepseek is that it does not require an infinitely growing amount of resources, reducing enviromental cost. Every other ethical issue is still there, so I still have 0 interest on using it.
Also, watching a lot of unethical people panic always improves my day.

@timnitGebru Most people in various tech communities on the internet don't even know that they can't view the source code of 'opensurce' Deepseek. Makes me wonder if anyone is even reviewing the code of actual opensource projects nowadays to verify their claims.

@timnitGebru “Please give us the evidence of your crimes”
🤣
“Can’t, it’s uh… proprietary.”

Friends, for something to be open source, we need to see 1. the data it was trained and evaluated on, 2. the code, 3. the model architeture, 4. the model weights. DeepSeek only gives [the model architecture and the model weights].

@timnitGebru yes, this was very disappointing. I was hoping to try my hand at training a model, but it turns out I have to code my own by reading their paper and recreating the software from their model architecture by myself.

I hope someone more skilled at AI than me does it first and releases their code as actual free/libre open source software.

#tech #software #AI #DeepSeek #LLM #MachineLearning #FLOSS #FreeSoftware

@timnitGebru In terms of knowing the costs of a model, would we also want to know the hardware used?

@timnitGebru thank you for sharing.

Quick question have you seen this initiative "European Open-Source AI index"?

https://www.osai-index.eu

By @dingemansemark & @andreasliesenfeld from @Radboud_uni

Looks good to me, to help people determine how open an AI model actually is. Are you aware of other initiatives like this?

I'd like to gather these initiatives and share it with @publicspaces so more people learn what to look for to determine if an AI is truly opensource.

#AI #OpenSource

@timnitGebru What about the reasonable means to reproduce the results?

@timnitGebru i believe china doesn't recognise copyright of non-chinese sources

@timnitGebru have you seen TEUken? It's not SOTA but improving … and they published their training data