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· Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:06:02

@nikatjef @cwebber What's the point of writing an essay with an LLM? An essay is an expression of your understanding of a subject. There's no point in even including the essay if the only thing created is the input--which is likely even easier to generate with an LLM. Embracing this technology is nonsensical unless you don't use it at all. It would make as much sense to just stop assigning essays and rely on asking the person questions directly.

Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:14:08

@vv
Here is where we have to separate understanding from knowledge. Yes, essays will help demonstrate understanding, but shows very little of knowledge retention. Conversely tests will help demonstrate knowledge retention but shows very little about understanding.

But... Homework, which is what this is really about, is meant to help students retain and understand the information that the teacher is trying to provide them. That is where GPT / LLMs come in.

@cwebber

Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:19:58

@nikatjef @cwebber how would it be possible to gauge student understanding with LLMs? Students can and have been copy and pasting the homework assignments to generate their work. There's no proof they are reading or understanding anything. If they are tasked with providing the prompts in order to prove their understanding, they will just provide fake LLM-generated prompts.

Also, I don't see how determining the students' prowess with LLMs has anything to do with the subject unless the subject is about prompt engineering.

Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:22:55

@vv
Yes, prompt engineering is critical for them as it will be their life within the next 10 years, so that is valuable in and of itself.

When a person looks into something they understand, their prompts will tend to be more focused on what they need, but also their prompts will generally show clear paths toward the information. Please note I am not talking about a single prompt, but the entire chain of prompts.
@cwebber

Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:23:28

@nikatjef @vv sorry in this house we don't do prompt engineering, only pronk engineering

Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:30:03

@cwebber @nikatjef @vv
"no prompt, no prank: only pronk!" (and proud)

Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:33:36

@cwebber @nikatjef @vv

Federated PRONK engineering. To be precise.

Föderation EN Mi 07.05.2025 22:25:12

@nikatjef @cwebber what a horrible worldview to think that the only thing people will be doing in ten years is trying to figure out how to best generate bullshit text