Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 15:30:39 Capitalism is stupid. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 15:35:57 There is one pear packing machine and it may as well be printing money. The invisible hand is not very on top of things. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 15:38:19 @breadandcircuses that they can still make money on this just proves that capitalism is a deeply flawed economic system. it's hyper-inefficient. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:01:48 @arrrg @breadandcircuses the alternative is to use subpar local pears and build an entirely new factory, just to make it so the process is three days shorter and five times more expensive. I think capitalism has got it's benefits when it comes to maximising profits my friend... |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:01:21 @OmegaMastadon @breadandcircuses i agree that capitalism is very good at extracting wealth. if that's the gauge for what's a good and functioning economic system - capitalism for the win. and it's true, without capitalism, people might have to eat more local food rather than shipping pears in plastic cups all over the globe. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:03:31 @arrrg @breadandcircuses haha. Very funny. Let's not ignore that this is fermented pears, which wouldn't be present at all in America if it wasn't for the so-called capitalist system. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:06:06 @OmegaMastadon @breadandcircuses i don't know shit about pears. why would it matter if people have fermented pears or not? i don't get your point. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:10:09 @arrrg @breadandcircuses because the product is fermented. Fermented pears have small demand. Packing & producing is mainly done in southeast Asia, leading to the situation where it's grown it Argentina, packed in Thailand and sold in USA. this isn't just about pears |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:20:11 @OmegaMastadon first, the pears in that image are not fermented. Second, what difference does it make? Third, obviously it's bigger than pears, the OP was making a point about capitalism not pears. Are you new here? Are you OK? |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:21:17 @SallyStrange @OmegaMastadon @breadandcircuses and fwiw, you can grow pears in north america, i have a pear tree in my backyard, the squirrels love them. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:26:34 Oh yeah, missed that bit of weirdness. Yep there are pear trees all over N. America. They're not indigenous but then neither are apple trees. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:37:29 @SallyStrange the squirrels arenβt indigenous either. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:42:35 @arrrg nor is a lot of the grass that covers our lawns... So many things |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:52:41 @SallyStrange how beautiful this place must have been before colonization, it must have been just awe-inspiring. it still is in many places, despite being compromised. the only people who lived here loved the land and the animals and the trees before europeans came along and fucked it all up. what we call the united states of america is probably the world's largest crime scene. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:56:23 @arrrg I regularly am awestruck by the natural beauty around me, while also being aware that what I'm seeing must be a faded echo of what existed before |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:59:01 @arrrg @SallyStrange As true as it is sad, though the whole of Africa could probably give the Americas (South America had it very bad too) a run for the money |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:28:36 I try not to over-romanticize the first inhabitants of N. America, who probably hunted mastodons to extinction, burned forests to spread corn crops, had wars with each other, etc. But even so, it's nothing compared to what happened after 1492. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:10:59 @arrrg @SallyStrange Are they from Thailand or Argentina? I feel that the answer to this is somehow important. π |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:23:57 @davidbcohen @arrrg uh Europe I thought |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:02:00 @SallyStrange @arrrg @breadandcircuses yes I'm new to mastadon and yes I know it's about capitalism. The issue is that it's a stupid argument, you can't have a factory for everything and a farm for everything, which global trade fixes, even if it leads to situations like this they usually are higher quality and cheaper as a result |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:04:55 @OmegaMastadon the argument is fine. What you're presenting in response is a fallacy, specifically the false dichotomy fallacy. There are options in between what the OP pointed out and "factories everywhere." Plus, it has not escaped our notice that you accept "maximizing profits" (for a tiny minority of the population) as a worthwhile goal for society in general to pursue. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:34:28 @SallyStrange @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Y'all are arguing with a bot - which may or may not be fermented... |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:48:29 @DWTSquawk7600 @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses well at least my argument is good |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:01:43 @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Actually, the better alternative is to have access to locally grown pears Same can be said for most staple consumer goods Global scale capitalism = same old oligopoly |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:17:20 @StrangeCulprits |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:20:56 @bhcompy @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Iceland called, they decided to be clever and grow things like bananas... In. Iceland. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:28:43 @StrangeCulprits @bhcompy @OmegaMastadon @arrrg @breadandcircuses Iceland has so much geothermal energy that heated greenhouses are easy and cheap. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:34:20 @jlargentaye Most places on Earth have geothermal access sufficient for local agricultural needs, which is cheap compared to the transnational shipping industrial complex |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 15:39:00 @breadandcircuses |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 15:43:56 @breadandcircuses it's ok tho b/c sending things on container ships is super efficient and doesn't emit a lot of greenhouse gases |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 15:59:46 @biciuc @breadandcircuses it wouldn't be done if it wasn't maximum profitability. You might be able to grow pears but it won't be as efficient or good as alternatives. You can make a packing factory but it won't be as useful or utilised as ones in South east Asia. You might say that moving it this long is inefficient itself but pears need to ripen and transport is dirt cheap. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:05:43 @OmegaMastadon @breadandcircuses transport is cheap b/c shipping companies externalize the cost of climate change onto everyone else. This is why a carbon tax is important, to shift some of the cost of climate change back to those who are causing it. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:10:20 @biciuc @breadandcircuses I agree that taxes on carbon emissions would lead to innovative solutions to save money for these companies, considering cargo is very cheap even if subpar alternatives are used they could still make great profits |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:07:44 @breadandcircuses (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:20:33 @breadandcircuses so why is shipping so cheap? |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:27:04 @breadandcircuses The day I learned that meat from chickens raised in the US, is then shipped to China for "processing", before being sent back here as nuggets and patties, was the last time I ate chicken that didn't arrive to my plate still on the bone. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:15:43 @DukeDuke I cannot believe this would make financial sense, especially given that the transport would need to be frozen. Do you have a source for this? Tyson et al have tons of production capacity in North America. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:38:16 Had similarly heard that between being fished off Grimsby and reaching the pub there, scampi would transit via the Philippines to be prepared. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 16:59:01 @breadandcircuses |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 17:30:02 Capitalism is optimized for imaginary units of labor/resources or has steep discounts on the labor of exploited people and resources. It is not optimized for utility, justice, energy or any other such meaningful variable. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:00:56 @breadandcircuses That truly is an egregious example of capitalism at it's worst. One would think that Argentina would want to expand jobs and opportunities locally by opening a canning factory in Argentina. But, it's likely a multinational corporation that's behind this trade example and they simply don't care. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:11:00 @breadandcircuses but at scale! |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:11:56 @breadandcircuses stuff like this kills me isnide. Even seeing berries shipped from Peru at the grocery store on the shelf next to ones grown the next state away is crazy. Seems like a carbon tax would really cut down on it. Nobody should be able to pass the cost of carbon emissions on to victims of climate change, but thatβs just business as usual. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:15:34 @breadandcircuses What surprises me is the need to cut pears and put them in a plastic cup. |
Föderation · Fr 20.09.2024 18:40:34 @lrosa @breadandcircuses |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:20:29 @breadandcircuses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aH3ZTTkGAs has an explanation |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:22:26 |
Föderation DE Fr 20.09.2024 18:23:02 @breadandcircuses Because any other alternative would be communism. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:28:09 @breadandcircuses Yeah, but it makes jobs. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:28:13 @breadandcircuses so is non recyclable single use packaging |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:29:09 @breadandcircuses And that's because the cost of transport, fuel used and pollution caused is not fully added to the items. Absolutely fucking disgraceful |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:30:29 @breadandcircuses @briankrebs cargo ships returning from Argentina will take anything. Thatβs what makes some of these counterintuitive transports happen. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:32:05 @breadandcircuses CORRECT ANSWER! πππππππππ π½πΆππ°ππ§πππππππππ¨ Free food, housing, education and healthcare for you as a reward! Free food, healthcare, housing and education for everyone else too! |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:37:22 @breadandcircuses No more need be said. You nailed it right here. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:38:28 I'm curious how many were fed at low cost due to losses in this industrial supply chain. |
Föderation EN Fr 20.09.2024 18:43:09 Yes it is! π€£ |