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bumi (@bumi@kosmos.social)

Föderation EN Mo 22.07.2024 18:59:47

@User47 such a good description of US politics. No content on actual issues whatsoever. just two politicians fighting each other like kids in the kindergarden.
USA seems pretty lost sadly.

AccordionBruce

AccordionBruce (@AccordionBruce@mastodon.social)

Föderation EN Mo 22.07.2024 19:40:14

@bumi @User47
It is, however, how you defeat a fascist candidate in a US election

The Democrats are really good at talking about issues in very boring ways, and not fighting smart

The Republicans call them paedophiles, organize over the long haul, win elections, then take away women’s rights and give them to corporations

bumi

bumi (@bumi@kosmos.social)

Föderation EN Mo 22.07.2024 23:29:08

@AccordionBruce @User47 a spiral to the bottom. they do exactly the same. nothing is left than just a kindergarden fight.
imo, this is how you feed and grow that quality of politicians and that quality of politics.

the world laughs, just not everyone realized that yet, as they are too busy fighting each other.

JL Johnson :veri_mast:

JL Johnson :veri_mast: (@User47@vmst.io)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 00:56:52

@bumi @AccordionBruce not sure I agree. One party gets things done and serves the people. The other drags us back and serves the 1%

bumi

bumi (@bumi@kosmos.social)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 10:31:33

@User47 @AccordionBruce which one?

to me both do the same thing.
there is only a focus on fighting the other one - which it seems is also important to you.

50% of the people fight the other 50%.
It is a fight not by convincing by topics and productive problem solving, but just by a focus on the opponent and trying to make that one look bad. And by now it's even just personal (look at the video shared).

so if that's the example that the top-leaders give, what do people do?

AccordionBruce

AccordionBruce (@AccordionBruce@mastodon.social)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 12:18:23

@bumi @User47
The presidential campaign in the United States lasts basically years

If anyone here doesn’t know what the two parties stand for they haven’t been paying attention

Our political system is totally broken

Gerrymandering and voter suppression mean only a very few votes are really in doubt

Both parties are beholden to corporate money, but the Republicans have given themselves over to overt fascism because they demographically can’t win elections fairly

AccordionBruce

AccordionBruce (@AccordionBruce@mastodon.social)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 12:24:40

@bumi @User47

But Democrats win elections here by getting out the vote

Because they outnumber Republicans

So it’s really important for Democrats to energize their people, who already know what the party stands for

So an emotional video that inspires people makes sense

A boring video of bullet points would not encourage young people to stand in line for six hours, or carpool elders because the Republicans have removed all of the voting places in their district

bumi

bumi (@bumi@kosmos.social)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 19:45:32

@AccordionBruce @User47 that really "inspires people" ?? - guess that's imo part of the issue already.

all this to me just shows that the US is lost, sorry. you keep on fighting each other and finding reasons to convince yourself why it's the most important thing to fight the other 50% and that the other 50% are the evil ones.

there is no way out as both are the same.

JL Johnson :veri_mast:

JL Johnson :veri_mast: (@User47@vmst.io)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 20:37:51

@bumi 50/50 isn't even correct. The majority of us lean dem. But thanks to poorly drawn lines (guess who!) somehow Republicans manage to have unearned and undue influence.

bumi

bumi (@bumi@kosmos.social)

Föderation EN Mi 24.07.2024 00:35:23

@User47 that somebody can say that some drawn lines influences what 50% of the population means is probably for anybody outside the USA kinda hilarious.

and it seems to me also on this topic both sides say the exact same thing and both claim only that it's due to drawing some lines on the map that the other party can win.

and again, nothing about actual topics and nothing productive... just a sad fight over some lines drawn on the map...

AccordionBruce

AccordionBruce (@AccordionBruce@mastodon.social)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 12:30:38

@bumi @User47
I would dearly love to have proportional representation and other changes to the US Constitution and other institutions to encourage boring politics

I think that would have to go along with changes in income, racial, and sexual inequality in the United States

Which won’t come easy

JL Johnson :veri_mast:

JL Johnson :veri_mast: (@User47@vmst.io)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 15:40:52

@bumi @AccordionBruce Well, we have one party that believes in infrastructure, and domestic manufacturing, and healthcare. And we have another party that gets boners for military guns in the hands of untrained pros, tax cuts for the ultra rich and corporations, and using sharpie to redefine hurricane tracks. Seems pretty clean cut to me.

bumi

bumi (@bumi@kosmos.social)

Föderation EN Di 23.07.2024 19:39:15

@User47 @AccordionBruce which one is which again?
I hear that from both sides.

AccordionBruce

AccordionBruce (@AccordionBruce@mastodon.social)

Föderation EN Mi 24.07.2024 01:25:00

@bumi @User47
You’re just trolling now 🧌

The parties both have issues with taking corporate donations due to our corrupt campaign finance laws

But on social issues. there are dramatic differences. Denying that makes you sound foolish 🙄

So I don’t think you’re honestly or knowledgeably engaging

Enjoy our new president

bumi

bumi (@bumi@kosmos.social)

Föderation EN Mi 24.07.2024 11:15:06

@AccordionBruce @User47 I am for sure a stupid outsider.
But this for sure was not a troll comment.

who is talking about "domestic manufacturing" for example?

but yeah, imo we see here that it's purely emotional and there are two opposing parties that seem hate each other.
where should this lead to?