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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 03:47:29 1% The wellbeing of the most powerful and wealthy 1133 Stimmen, bis Do 13.03.2025 03:47:29 |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 03:57:39 You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat the waitress and cleaning staff. You can tell even more about them by how they treat dogs and children. We humans are our truest selves when we think no one is looking or no one in the room has the power to reprimand us. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 04:32:16 @evan none of the above, but how well everyone *knows* how well everyone else is doing. You care? You know. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:55:34 @travisfw So, a society where everyone is sick, miserable, poor, and endangered, but everyone knows it, is better than a society where everyone has their physical, emotional and psychological needs met, but they don't have access to their neighbours' tax forms and medical records? That doesn't sound right to me. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 19:01:48 @evan access to tax and medical? I don't know why you're saying that. My point is that the society can implement various measures to get the numbers higher, but if you don't know what your neighbor's life is actually like, statistics are not a good measure of the health of a society. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 20:39:44 @travisfw So, more general knowledge about people's wellbeing, not specifics on income level, health, psychological and social and emotional wellbeing, and so on? |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 20:41:48 @travisfw And, again, I don't think that knowing how everyone else is doing is better than having food, clothing, shelter, love, fulfillment. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 06:05:44 @evan A very important indicator of a country's well-being could also very well be measured by the well-being of animals in the country. People that are happy and taken care of have time room and money to take care of pets and wildlife. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 15:06:42 @MissAurora This is a great answer! |
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Föderation · Mi 12.03.2025 06:06:30 @evan@cosocial.ca Fediblock whoever picked the first option. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 15:06:11 @2something I think we do it a lot, subconsciously, especially when we talk about societies of the past, or more closed societies where there isn't a lot of visibility into how average people, or the most vulnerable people, live. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 07:40:51 @evan I voted for the third option, but I think all three should be taken into account, as well as how many people belong in each group. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 07:43:49 @evan BUT I think mainly the wellbeing of the most powerful and wealthy is useful information in establishing what's going on in terms of inequality. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:45:23 @BathysphereHat it's probably worthwhile to get an idea of what level of technology and economy the society has. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:46:17 Especially when we talk about ancient societies, like in Egypt or Mesoamerica, we often talk about the achievements and wealth of the most powerful. I think at least partially, this is because they left the largest and most durable artifacts, so we can evaluate pyramids and statues and tombs and so on. Another factor is that written history has often been a luxury, so histories are often written only about kings, lords, and emperors. That's the info we have now. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:51:41 @BathysphereHat even for modern societies, we talk about the achievements at the very tip of wealth and power. "We put a man on the moon." |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 15:49:40 @evan For sure! This really bothered me when I was studying Latin, because we also learned about Roman history, and they kind of glossed over the fact that for much of the Roman empire, huge swaths of the population were either impoverished or enslaved. (There was also a lot of weird apologism for ancient slavery in the textbook, which was Not Great.) |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 13:29:26 @evan D. By the fact that there is such a disparity of wealth and comfort |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:49:33 @Ashedryden So, a society in which everyone is 100% equally poor, sick, and miserable is better than one with a moderate level of inequality, but where everyone has their material, emotional and psychological needs satisfied? That doesn't sound right. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:58:32 @evan cmon, Evan :/ |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 15:02:32 @Ashedryden I like thinking about this stuff! Sue me! |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:32:37 @EricLawton @MelissaBearTrix I don't think so. It's a very specific question about a particular axis, and not a broad question on all aspects of societies. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:24:51 @evan The wellbeing of the average people as, in a proper society, the range between the least and most powerful should be minimal. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 14:34:15 @Chigaze So, you're saying that if another aspect of a society is correct (low Gini coefficient, maybe some other measurement of power inequality), then the answer is "average". What if the Gini coefficient is high? |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 15:29:52 @evan If the Gini coefficient is high then the question is moot. At that point the gap between the least and the average (my which I assume you mean median) is far smaller than the gap between them and the powerful. The question itself is problematic because if we judge a society based on a it's poor and powerless the question arises “why is anyone poor and powerless”? If they were being treated well, they wouldn’t be poor and powerless. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 15:44:54 @Chigaze it doesn't say "poor and powerless"! It says "least wealthy and powerful". Even in a society where everyone has their needs met and where everyone participates in society, there's always someone who's least powerful (even if it's a million-way tie). |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 17:05:57 @evan Not necessarily the least powerful as that would include genuinely bad people as well as the unjustly downtrodden. But the least well off, yes. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 17:52:49 @light so, you wouldn't consider prison conditions for legitimate violent criminals as a way to judge a social system? |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 17:53:18 @evan Voted 3, and want to add its sustainability to the mix, thus including the wellbeing of nature and wildlife that this society takes care of (or could care of). |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 20:46:52 @meduz in a sense, you could consider other non-human living beings as "the least powerful and wealthy" in a society, usually. |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 17:54:28 @evan
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 18:22:42 @evan this is what I see 😂😂😂
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 19:50:22 @evan median, not average, for a start |
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Föderation EN Mi 12.03.2025 20:36:33 "average: [...] Any measure of central tendency, especially any mean, the median, or the mode." |
