@guyjantic I politely disagree, but thank you for the summary! @pluralistic

@guyjantic @pluralistic I agree on the position, but question the financial side of things. There is a demand for a lot of money on the table, in comparison to budgets within the Fediverse. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be properly paid in this context, many within the Fediverse aren't, but I hope the community keeps receipts on progress.

@guyjantic Imagine if instead of going out there stumping about how it's actually necessary to be raising 30 million (MILLION) dollars for what will likely be a shitty, likely temporary 'fire exit' Cory instead used the platform to say, "we should raise 30 million dollars to fund the development and improvement of actually existing decentralized services."

I like Cory but he's now had multiple blog posts defending this position and it mostly seems like he is rankled because people rightfully called this out as a boneheaded endorsement.

It is so goddamn insulting and wasteful to suggest people donate egregious sums of money to something that really can't be decentralized.

I cannot stress enough that if it costs 30 million dollars to set up a second relay, this is not something that will free anyone.

I don't know about you but I don't have an excess of 30 MILLION dollars sloshing about to spin up a relay for me and my friends.

My friends and I can run a VPS with any activitypub server with what amounts to yearly beer money.

@guyjantic @pluralistic the problem with that line of thought, despite being totally fine in theory, is that in practice the very architecture of the at protocol is such that only someone with deep, deep pockets will ever be able to build an at service truly independent from bluesky's infrastructure.

Edit: @cwebber wrote extensively and very technically about that.

@guyjantic @pluralistic @jeremiah @jorgecandeias Thank you but just note I'm not Dr. Lemmer-Webber but my wife @mlemweb is :)