· Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:13:46 > Voting for any party except the AfD will help to stop them by diluting their vote share. I don't think that's true. If you vote for a party which gets less than 5% and less than three direct seats, your vote is proportionally redistributed among the parties which did — which likely means effectively 20% AfD. So… Please use your second vote for a *democratic* party with realistic chances to get in and the first vote for a party which likely won't get to the 5% but you'd still like to see. Nontheless: Voted earlier today, so there's that. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:16:55 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:25:44 You get a ballot with two columns. Left hand is the first vote, right hand is the second vote. The first vote is for a *person* associated with a *party*, which differs per voting district. The person with the most votes in that district gets a seat (or used to, see below). In any case, the first votes are only summarized up to the district level, then the winning candidate is chosen. The second vote is for a *party*. The second votes are summarized across the entire country. The second vote determines the ratio of seats the parties get. Before the last change of mechanics between 2021 and today, all candidates chosen via the first vote would get in unconditionally. That caused caused the parliament to get insanely large because the share of parties as determined by the second vote still had to be upheld. Example: if the target size of parliament was 500 and a party got 20%, but 110 candidates were elected via first vote, they would get 10 extra seats, which would then cause 40 extra seats to be distributed among the other parties to ensure the correct ratio (I hope I didn't make maths mistake here). That led to an insanely large parliament in the past, so it was changed so that extra directly elected candidates would not get into the parliament (the ranking of candidates which get in is based on number of votes, IIRC). Wikipedia has more details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundestag#Election_system_(since_2023) And to elaborate on how that relates to what I wrote earlier: If a party has less than 5% share of second votes, it is barred from entering parliament, *unless* it has at least three directly elected candidates. So the first vote can be used to get a party in which would barely fail due to the 5% hurdle, but only if people coordinate in a district (because there it's winner-takes-all). The second vote is thus usually wasted on smaller parties and that only benefits the largest parties. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:30:08 @ives @jssfr @FediTips I’m assuming your question is in good faith, so here’s a wiki link which gives a high level answer to your question
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Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:32:42 @dreadpir8robots @ives @FediTips Note that the (very relevant) section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system_of_Germany#Distribution_of_seats is not up-to-date with the results of the constitutional challenge of the reform. That seems to be better described in the section I linked. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:35:47 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:35:36 @dreadpir8robots @jssfr @FediTips Thank you both (and @menel). Always interesting to see how other countries implement voting. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:37:41 It's like this |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:29:59 Thanks! I've added a follow-up post, hope I've got this right: https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTips/114053435332462030 Let me know if it's wrong, I can edit it. I tried to make the original post as simple as possible, you have raised a really important nuance, thank you 🙏 |