Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:19:30 Hello to all the wonderful Germans following this account 👋 Please, for the sake of humanity, use your vote today to stop the AfD. Thanks to Germany's excellent proportional voting system, Germans have a wide range of parties to vote for and every vote counts towards the result. Voting for any party except the AfD will help to stop them by diluting their vote share. If ever there was a time to vote, today is that day. This is your chance to make a difference. EDIT: See voting tip in reply! |
Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 13:21:42 @FediTips voted! |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:22:30 Brilliant! Fantastic! 👏 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:26:21 @FediTips Sending love! Please don’t become like the US, it’s not fun here |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:27:50 @FediTips Worthy tip. Thanks mate. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:41:48 @FediTips |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:45:10 Well done! 👏 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:46:22 @FediTips Voted against the fascists! |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:47:32 Yes! This is great! 👏 |
Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 13:53:49 @FediTips@social.growyourown.service (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:03:20 @FediTips The US democracy is fighting for its life right now and there are many signs that it is already dead, it just hasn't fallen over yet. This could be your future or life's failures repeating itself if you are not careful. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:03:21 @FediTips and don’t vote neither CDU nor CSU, they tried to pass the AFD on their right side. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:13:46 > Voting for any party except the AfD will help to stop them by diluting their vote share. I don't think that's true. If you vote for a party which gets less than 5% and less than three direct seats, your vote is proportionally redistributed among the parties which did — which likely means effectively 20% AfD. So… Please use your second vote for a *democratic* party with realistic chances to get in and the first vote for a party which likely won't get to the 5% but you'd still like to see. Nontheless: Voted earlier today, so there's that. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:16:55 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:25:44 You get a ballot with two columns. Left hand is the first vote, right hand is the second vote. The first vote is for a *person* associated with a *party*, which differs per voting district. The person with the most votes in that district gets a seat (or used to, see below). In any case, the first votes are only summarized up to the district level, then the winning candidate is chosen. The second vote is for a *party*. The second votes are summarized across the entire country. The second vote determines the ratio of seats the parties get. Before the last change of mechanics between 2021 and today, all candidates chosen via the first vote would get in unconditionally. That caused caused the parliament to get insanely large because the share of parties as determined by the second vote still had to be upheld. Example: if the target size of parliament was 500 and a party got 20%, but 110 candidates were elected via first vote, they would get 10 extra seats, which would then cause 40 extra seats to be distributed among the other parties to ensure the correct ratio (I hope I didn't make maths mistake here). That led to an insanely large parliament in the past, so it was changed so that extra directly elected candidates would not get into the parliament (the ranking of candidates which get in is based on number of votes, IIRC). Wikipedia has more details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundestag#Election_system_(since_2023) And to elaborate on how that relates to what I wrote earlier: If a party has less than 5% share of second votes, it is barred from entering parliament, *unless* it has at least three directly elected candidates. So the first vote can be used to get a party in which would barely fail due to the 5% hurdle, but only if people coordinate in a district (because there it's winner-takes-all). The second vote is thus usually wasted on smaller parties and that only benefits the largest parties. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:30:08 @ives @jssfr @FediTips I’m assuming your question is in good faith, so here’s a wiki link which gives a high level answer to your question
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Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:32:42 @dreadpir8robots @ives @FediTips Note that the (very relevant) section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system_of_Germany#Distribution_of_seats is not up-to-date with the results of the constitutional challenge of the reform. That seems to be better described in the section I linked. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:35:47 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:35:36 @dreadpir8robots @jssfr @FediTips Thank you both (and @menel). Always interesting to see how other countries implement voting. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:37:41 It's like this |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:29:59 Thanks! I've added a follow-up post, hope I've got this right: https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTips/114053435332462030 Let me know if it's wrong, I can edit it. I tried to make the original post as simple as possible, you have raised a really important nuance, thank you 🙏 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:21:43 Attention! You are NOW in one of the freest countries in the world. Let's make sure it stays that way! Please vote. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:28:31 p.s. Important voting tip from many contributors: 1. Use first vote to choose your favourite candidate from those likely to win in your particular voting district. It doesn't matter if their party is small nationally, the candidate can still get in if they are popular in your district. 2. Use second vote to choose your favourite from parties likely to get over 5% of the vote. If you do both these things, it will make your vote most effective 👍 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:40:12 |
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Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:43:59 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:25:25 @FediTips @jssfr The 2nd vote is proportional, so there small parties will have as much a chance as those with a large vote share. Nonetheless the party still needs to cross the 5% threshold, so voting for a party polling at below 3% is not a great strategy if one would want to prevent the AfD from gaining seats. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:30:25 Okay.... is this not correct? |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:39:49 Just FYI I edited the tip thanks to feedback from you and several others. Thank you! |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:27:34 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:28:33 I'm going by info here, is this not correct? |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:57:50 @FediTips @Stefan_S_from_H @jssfr@floss.social I think that information is correct. It's the first time for us over here as well ;) ... and I frankly doubt many people took the time to study the new rules to the fullest. But what you're stating there is basically correct. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:39:26 I've edited the tip by the way, sorry about that! Several others also clarified, thanks for the help! |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:31:48 To use your German federal parliamentary election votes to maximize your influence on who gets into parliament: First vote: Which candidate is likely to win in your particular local voting district? If you like that person, vote for her or him. If not, vote for the person with second best chance. Second vote: Which parties have a reasonable chance to get into the next parliament? Choose among those. Deviations from this send political signals, but influence outcome less. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:38:59 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 17:39:03 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:15:25 Yup, excellent explanation, adjusted the post to reflect it. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:39:35 EDIT: You changed it. The current version is good. Sorry, @FediTips , but your suggestion on what to do with your first vote is, I believe, the worst hint from you I've read thus far. With margin. (Which is to say I usually like what I read from you.) A first vote for a party that has a tiny followership in your voting district and no reasonable chance to win that district is basically wasted, from an election-outcome point of view. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:39:55 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:45:00 @FediTips I already did. I knowe it will be bad tonight, the question is: how bad? |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:46:05 Well done for voting 👏 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:29:00 p.p.s. Okay, polls have closed in Germany, well done to everyone who voted and let's hope for the best in the weeks to come as a coalition government is formed. (For those wondering, I don't make a habit of posting about elections on this account. I'll only do one-off posts if there's some kind of historically dangerous situation.) |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:30:32 @FediTips ✊🏾👍🏽 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 20:11:34 @FediTips fingers crossed for us all |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 21:42:10 @FediTips I'm watching closely Germany's election, because we're next 😬 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:28:42 Denn Rechtsextremismus ist keine politische Richtung, sondern eine Straftat! Eine #Partei, die in Teilen #rechtsextrem ist, ist als Ganzes rechtsextrem. BVerfG – 2 BvB 1/13 - Urteil zum NPD Verbotsverfahren: Ob eine Partei die Beseitigung oder Beeinträchtigung der freiheitlichen demokratischen Grundordnung anstrebt, muss sich aus ihren Zielen oder dem Verhalten ihrer Anhänger insbesondere Organe und Parteimitglieder ergeben. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:34:45 @FediTips Already voted via mail. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:35:49 Wondeful! Great to hear! 👏 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:56:04 @FediTips Never before felt so negative towards voting. Did it anyway, of course. Now let's keep our fingers crossed that the result won't be too catastrophic. Will be with friends tonight to watch how it'll turn out. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:04:33 Well done on voting anyway 💪 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:06:04 @FediTips ✅ Voted right after breakfast. And you can bet your cups (*referring to a speech by CDU candidate Merz yesterday in which he stated that evereyone left of his party is nuts - German "hat nicht alle Tassen im Schrank" 'doesn't have all is cups in the cupboard') that I didn't vote for AfD! |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:07:28 Thank you for voting to stop the AfD! 👏 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:11:57 @FediTips Not only voting but also going to the streets as every logically thinking German should do in these times. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:14:14 Similar situation in many countries right now 😞 Perhaps some people are incapable of seeing danger until it hurts them specifically? |
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Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 15:19:45 @FediTips voted! 👍🏻 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:21:58 Hurrah! Wonderful! Brilliant to hear 🥳 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:44:57 |
Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 16:14:04 @FediTips Morgen sagt man: “Sie hätten es gewußt haben können“ |
Föderation · So 23.02.2025 16:24:40 @FediTips@social.growyourown.services did my duty let's hope it helps |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:31:17 Brilliant, well done! 👏 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:35:41 @FediTips Man, I love the fediverse. Such good vibes and I get to learn stuff. I'm also hoping the fascists won't get too many votes. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:50:52 @FediTips Alas, "voting for ANY party except the AfD" won't stop "them by diluting their vote share". It's quite the opposite in case there is a high number of votes for the many parties that won't get passed the 5% threshold for their share won't matter when it comes to distributing seats in the parliament. Eventually, once the election is done, those votes are as good as haven't voted at all. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:53:09 I've had a lot of feedback from people about this today, that's why I added the voting tip in the reply: https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTips/114053435332462030 Apparently the candidate vote can be for a very small party as long as the candidate is doing well in that district. The party vote does need to be for a party likely to get over 5% to have a likely effect. |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:59:41 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 17:01:25 Fantastic that you voted! 💪 |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 17:06:17 @FediTips Of course... ;) Trying to motivate everyone as well and promoting the left! |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:04:57 @FediTips |
Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:14:53 Well done! 👏 |