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Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:19:30

Hello to all the wonderful Germans following this account 👋

Please, for the sake of humanity, use your vote today to stop the AfD.

Thanks to Germany's excellent proportional voting system, Germans have a wide range of parties to vote for and every vote counts towards the result. Voting for any party except the AfD will help to stop them by diluting their vote share.

If ever there was a time to vote, today is that day. This is your chance to make a difference.

EDIT: See voting tip in reply!

Harry

Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 13:21:42

@FediTips voted!

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:22:30

@HarGro

Brilliant! Fantastic! 👏

Ashley

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:26:21

@FediTips Sending love! Please don’t become like the US, it’s not fun here

Pierrescellen Morgan (os. on)

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:27:50

@FediTips Worthy tip. Thanks mate.

Ben Zucker 🍰

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:41:48

@FediTips
CDU/CSU ain't much better but well, I did my part 💪

Ayako

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:46:22

@FediTips Voted against the fascists!

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 13:47:32

@Ayako

Yes! This is great! 👏

Enjoy

Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 13:53:49

@FediTips@social.growyourown.service

(Medien: 1)

Al

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:03:20

@FediTips
Please follow this advice, you can see the troubles in real time right now if you watch the disastrous results from the last US election.

The US democracy is fighting for its life right now and there are many signs that it is already dead, it just hasn't fallen over yet.

This could be your future or life's failures repeating itself if you are not careful.

no brain no pain

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:03:21

@FediTips and don’t vote neither CDU nor CSU, they tried to pass the AFD on their right side.

Jonas Schäfer

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:13:46

@FediTips

> Voting for any party except the AfD will help to stop them by diluting their vote share.

I don't think that's true. If you vote for a party which gets less than 5% and less than three direct seats, your vote is proportionally redistributed among the parties which did — which likely means effectively 20% AfD.

So… Please use your second vote for a *democratic* party with realistic chances to get in and the first vote for a party which likely won't get to the 5% but you'd still like to see.

Nontheless: Voted earlier today, so there's that.

Ives

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:16:55

@jssfr @FediTips You get two votes? Interesting. Care to elaborate how that works?

Jonas Schäfer

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:25:44

@ives @FediTips

You get a ballot with two columns. Left hand is the first vote, right hand is the second vote.

The first vote is for a *person* associated with a *party*, which differs per voting district. The person with the most votes in that district gets a seat (or used to, see below). In any case, the first votes are only summarized up to the district level, then the winning candidate is chosen.

The second vote is for a *party*. The second votes are summarized across the entire country. The second vote determines the ratio of seats the parties get.

Before the last change of mechanics between 2021 and today, all candidates chosen via the first vote would get in unconditionally. That caused caused the parliament to get insanely large because the share of parties as determined by the second vote still had to be upheld. Example: if the target size of parliament was 500 and a party got 20%, but 110 candidates were elected via first vote, they would get 10 extra seats, which would then cause 40 extra seats to be distributed among the other parties to ensure the correct ratio (I hope I didn't make maths mistake here).

That led to an insanely large parliament in the past, so it was changed so that extra directly elected candidates would not get into the parliament (the ranking of candidates which get in is based on number of votes, IIRC).

Wikipedia has more details en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesta

And to elaborate on how that relates to what I wrote earlier: If a party has less than 5% share of second votes, it is barred from entering parliament, *unless* it has at least three directly elected candidates. So the first vote can be used to get a party in which would barely fail due to the 5% hurdle, but only if people coordinate in a district (because there it's winner-takes-all). The second vote is thus usually wasted on smaller parties and that only benefits the largest parties.

Adam Barnett

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:30:08

@ives @jssfr @FediTips I’m assuming your question is in good faith, so here’s a wiki link which gives a high level answer to your question
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electora

Germans elect their members of parliament with two votes. The first vote is for a direct candidate, who is required to receive a plurality vote in their electoral district. The second vote is used to elect a party list in each state as established by its respective party caucus.

Jonas Schäfer

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:32:42

@dreadpir8robots @ives @FediTips Note that the (very relevant) section en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electora is not up-to-date with the results of the constitutional challenge of the reform. That seems to be better described in the section I linked.

Adam Barnett

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:35:47

@jssfr @ives @FediTips oh I didn’t see your reply, which is much more comprehensive and useful than mine. Thanks.

Ives

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:35:36

@dreadpir8robots @jssfr @FediTips Thank you both (and @menel). Always interesting to see how other countries implement voting.
Crossing my fingers for a non-AfD outcome.

Menel

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:37:41

It's like this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_representation

One local candidate gets the first vote, winner will get a seat.

And the more important second vote will determinate the % of seats in the parliament.

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:29:59

@jssfr

Thanks! I've added a follow-up post, hope I've got this right:

social.growyourown.services/@F

Let me know if it's wrong, I can edit it.

I tried to make the original post as simple as possible, you have raised a really important nuance, thank you 🙏

everton137

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:21:43

@FediTips

Attention!

You are NOW in one of the freest countries in the world.

Let's make sure it stays that way!

Please vote.

Achtung!

Sie sind JETZT in einem der freiesten Länder der Welt.

Sorgen wir dafür, dass es so bleibt!

Bitte geben Sie zur Wahl.

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Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:28:31

p.s. Important voting tip from many contributors:

1. Use first vote to choose your favourite candidate from those likely to win in your particular voting district. It doesn't matter if their party is small nationally, the candidate can still get in if they are popular in your district.

2. Use second vote to choose your favourite from parties likely to get over 5% of the vote.

If you do both these things, it will make your vote most effective 👍

Gregory Vanderlaan

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:40:12

@FediTips @jssfr that makes sense... I sure hope we have elections in the future...

gumbario

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:40:51

@FediTips @jssfr I disagree about the first vote. In my district only the candidate from the green party has at least a chance to win against the conservative. So it makes sense for me to vote for the green candidate to challenge the conservative. Even my usual vote goes to the left party

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:43:59

@gumbario

Maybe @jssfr can advise on this? Any perspectives appreciated 🙏

Johannes

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:25:25

@FediTips @jssfr
That doesn’t seem correct.
The 1st vote is for the district representative - which is first-past-the-post and thus voting for a party that has a realistic chance of getting to the majority in the district is sensible - especially if it’s about preventing another party from gaining the seat. In some districts (such as mine) parties that have a small share of the national vote can still have a strong local footprint and there the 1st vote is a good way to support them - but that’s not true for most districts.

The 2nd vote is proportional, so there small parties will have as much a chance as those with a large vote share. Nonetheless the party still needs to cross the 5% threshold, so voting for a party polling at below 3% is not a great strategy if one would want to prevent the AfD from gaining seats.

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:39:49

@johannes_lehmann

Just FYI I edited the tip thanks to feedback from you and several others. Thank you!

Stefan Scholl

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:27:34

@FediTips @jssfr Not anymore. This was 3 years ago.

soletan

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:57:50

@FediTips @Stefan_S_from_H @jssfr@floss.social I think that information is correct. It's the first time for us over here as well ;) ... and I frankly doubt many people took the time to study the new rules to the fullest. But what you're stating there is basically correct.

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:39:26

@Stefan_S_from_H

I've edited the tip by the way, sorry about that! Several others also clarified, thanks for the help!

Andreas, DJ3EI, he/him

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:31:48

To use your German federal parliamentary election votes to maximize your influence on who gets into parliament:

First vote: Which candidate is likely to win in your particular local voting district? If you like that person, vote for her or him. If not, vote for the person with second best chance.

Second vote: Which parties have a reasonable chance to get into the next parliament? Choose among those.

Deviations from this send political signals, but influence outcome less.

@FediTips @jssfr

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:38:59

@dj3ei @jssfr

Thank you, I've tweaked the tip. That explained it more clearly.

Martin Rust

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 17:39:03

☝️ excellent explanation, cannot be said any more concise.
@dj3ei @FediTips @jssfr

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:15:25

@martinrust @dj3ei

Yup, excellent explanation, adjusted the post to reflect it.

Andreas, DJ3EI, he/him

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:39:35

EDIT: You changed it. The current version is good.

Sorry, @FediTips , but your suggestion on what to do with your first vote is, I believe, the worst hint from you I've read thus far. With margin. (Which is to say I usually like what I read from you.)

A first vote for a party that has a tiny followership in your voting district and no reasonable chance to win that district is basically wasted, from an election-outcome point of view.

@jssfr

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:39:55

@dj3ei @jssfr

I've just edited it to mention choosing a candidate with a good chance in your district.

Your previous post explained the situation very clearly which prompted the edit 👍

Giliell

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:45:00

@FediTips I already did. I knowe it will be bad tonight, the question is: how bad?

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:46:05

@Giliell

Well done for voting 👏

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:29:00

p.p.s. Okay, polls have closed in Germany, well done to everyone who voted and let's hope for the best in the weeks to come as a coalition government is formed.

(For those wondering, I don't make a habit of posting about elections on this account. I'll only do one-off posts if there's some kind of historically dangerous situation.)

dundee

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 20:11:34

@FediTips fingers crossed for us all

Zaia

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 21:42:10

@FediTips I'm watching closely Germany's election, because we're next 😬

Ali Mauritius Stein

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:28:42

Denn Rechtsextremismus ist keine politische Richtung, sondern eine Straftat!

Eine , die in Teilen ist, ist als Ganzes rechtsextrem.

BVerfG – 2 BvB 1/13 - Urteil zum NPD Verbotsverfahren:

Ob eine Partei die Beseitigung oder Beeinträchtigung der freiheitlichen demokratischen Grundordnung anstrebt, muss sich aus ihren Zielen oder dem Verhalten ihrer Anhänger insbesondere Organe und Parteimitglieder ergeben.

bundesverfassungsgericht.de/Sh

@FediTips

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:35:49

@gelbphoenix

Wondeful! Great to hear! 👏

Maike Stein

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 14:56:04

@FediTips Never before felt so negative towards voting. Did it anyway, of course. Now let's keep our fingers crossed that the result won't be too catastrophic. Will be with friends tonight to watch how it'll turn out.

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:04:33

@steinstory

Well done on voting anyway 💪

Christiane Gante

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:06:04

@FediTips ✅ Voted right after breakfast. And you can bet your cups (*referring to a speech by CDU candidate Merz yesterday in which he stated that evereyone left of his party is nuts - German "hat nicht alle Tassen im Schrank" 'doesn't have all is cups in the cupboard') that I didn't vote for AfD!

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:07:28

@historiavocis

Thank you for voting to stop the AfD! 👏

Christiane Gante

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:11:57

@FediTips Not only voting but also going to the streets as every logically thinking German should do in these times.
It's a pity that no plea to prohibit this party has gone to ballot, yet. I asked my parliamentary to do that and he tries...

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:14:14

@historiavocis

Similar situation in many countries right now 😞

Perhaps some people are incapable of seeing danger until it hurts them specifically?

Markus

Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 15:19:45

@FediTips voted! 👍🏻

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:21:58

@blueontour

Hurrah! Wonderful! Brilliant to hear 🥳

Piousunyn

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 15:44:57

@FediTips Can buy Germany too?

Johan Diederik

Föderation DE So 23.02.2025 16:14:04

@FediTips Morgen sagt man: “Sie hätten es gewußt haben können“

Sky Splash :griffon: :fediponies:

Föderation · So 23.02.2025 16:24:40

@FediTips@social.growyourown.services did my duty let's hope it helps

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:31:17

@fauli1221

Brilliant, well done! 👏

Daniel Casanueva

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:35:41

@FediTips Man, I love the fediverse. Such good vibes and I get to learn stuff. I'm also hoping the fascists won't get too many votes.

soletan

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:50:52

@FediTips Alas, "voting for ANY party except the AfD" won't stop "them by diluting their vote share". It's quite the opposite in case there is a high number of votes for the many parties that won't get passed the 5% threshold for their share won't matter when it comes to distributing seats in the parliament. Eventually, once the election is done, those votes are as good as haven't voted at all.

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:53:09

@soletan

I've had a lot of feedback from people about this today, that's why I added the voting tip in the reply:

social.growyourown.services/@F

Apparently the candidate vote can be for a very small party as long as the candidate is doing well in that district.

The party vote does need to be for a party likely to get over 5% to have a likely effect.

Masha Potempa

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 16:59:41

@FediTips Already done!

As some people pointed out - the Candidate is also very much aspiring to become the new Trump...

So please don't vote for them either.

Thank you! :)

Fedi.Tips

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 17:01:25

@mashapotempa

Fantastic that you voted! 💪

Masha Potempa

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 17:06:17

@FediTips Of course... ;) Trying to motivate everyone as well and promoting the left!

Kg. Madee Ⅱ.

Föderation EN So 23.02.2025 18:04:57

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