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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 13:49:33 “Oxfam identified 23 superyachts owned by 18 billionaires and estimates the average annual carbon footprint of each of these yachts to be 5,672 tonnes, which is more than three times the emissions of the #billionaires’ private jets... This is equivalent to 860 years of emissions for the average person in the world, and 5,600 times the average of someone in the global poorest 50%.” |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 16:10:26 @simon_brooke Take away their yachts and Lear jets: #taxtherich #tax_the_rich |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 16:28:58 @simon_brooke Oxfam just doesn’t understand that it’s necessary to destroy the planet in order to make it possible to live on some other planet whose environment is even worse than the destroyed environment on the original planet. It’s a totally logical tradeoff! |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 16:42:23 @slyborg I refer the honourable tooter to my earlier comment. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 17:23:36 @simon_brooke can, but won't. It's high time the choices are made for them. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 17:30:54 @simon_brooke I'm glad that somebody has a list of these boats, now we just have to learn some Orca dialects..... |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 18:05:48 A datapoint: "Brwbrwbrbrllwllbrrwwll" means: "I am f*cking your mother, young herring", which is (a) as you can imagine a strong insult in Orcaish and (b) unfortunately a sound a yacht propeller is going to make sooner or later... |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 19:15:36 @Lazarou @simon_brooke The yachts involved in the various incidents of orca-induced damage to have made the news are smallish sailing vessels owned by (by Western European standards) relatively 'normal' people. The vessels on this list might more accurately be described as 'ships' than 'yachts', and there is nothing an orca is going to do to one other than harm itself. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 18:37:05 Where are the orcas now? Can we send them coordinates? |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 18:55:36 @simon_brooke @CatHerder Step up your game on those paper straws, people! |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 19:27:25 @reay @simon_brooke |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 21:07:50 @CatHerder @simon_brooke Kind of curious about that myself, though I’m trying not to be. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 22:45:34 @reay @simon_brooke |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 19:16:51 @simon_brooke @d6 I see that global cement manufacturing contributed 1600 megatons of CO₂ in 2022. That's over 50 tons per second. The carbon footprint of all 23 superyachts would have added up to 0.008% of the annual cement emissions, which is the amount emitted by 43 minutes of cement production. So maybe, just from the point of view of reducing carbon emissions, megayachts aren't a significant issue. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 19:30:09 @mjd @d6 We're going to have to stop using concrete for almost all purposes. We're going to have to stop using fossil fuels (and the plastics made from them) altogether. Both of those are going to be very hard things to do, because concrete, plastics and fossil fuels are all extremely useful. Giving them up will be hard. Superyachts, for 99.99999% of people on the planet, are of very marginal utility. Giving them up isn't a huge win, but it's an easy one. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 19:31:51 @mjd i agree but the point i took from the article is that in terms of individual people's choices, only the very richest can significantly affect the bottom line. the anecdotes about yachts and jets were illustrative (as far as i could tell anyway) @simon_brooke |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 19:37:18 |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 19:41:31 @d6 I disagree with the point of the article. The personal habits of even the very richest individuals *can't* significantly affect the bottom line. So any effort or political capital expended on fighting the owners of 23 superyachts would be better spent on something that matters. Imagine a billionaire who could be convinced move the levers of industry to reduce global cement production by 0.01%, but only in return for permission to operate a second superyacht. That would be a large net win. Superyachts may be part of a big problem, but not this particular big problem. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 20:06:56 @simon_brooke |
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Föderation FR Fr 01.11.2024 21:03:37 @simon_brooke |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 21:27:59 According to a study in Nature, each ~4500 t CO2eq emitted will lead to one extra death until the year 2100. So each of these billionaires kills 1 or more people each year by this kind of consumption. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 22:46:20 I just love knowing my life of half-decent climate behaviour got dwarfed by a billionaire starting their yacht. |
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Föderation EN Fr 01.11.2024 23:05:47 @simon_brooke Lots of orca jokes. Haha. Uncomfortable truth time right? |
