Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:01:24 I've received 5 VC offers "to chat" regarding Pixelfed in the past few days. Not for sale. Pixelfed belongs to the people. I'd rather be broke and true to my beliefs, than sell out. That's why I'm organizing a Kickstarter to fund the ethical development of Pixelfed, Loops and more. It's time that someone stood up to them, instead of joining them. Are you with me? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pixelfed/pixelfed-foundation-2024-real-ethical-social-networks |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:02:31 @dansup A Kickstarter, that's a great idea! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:56:54 What's a kickstarter? |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:02:19 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:04:10 @dansup 1000% with you! Go Daniel, Go! |
Föderation DE Sa 18.01.2025 12:05:22 @dansup I'm in. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:08:05 Brilliant, Daniel! Just heard #Pixelfed getting recommended by David on the @waveformpodcast so there may be even more attention soon - hope this will benefit your #Kickstarter campaign! 😃👍 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:14:18 Who are we : the people Doing a good job Daniel, never lose that attitude, never get corrupted. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:25:08 @dansup for the people not used to this world, wondering why they should trust the word of a man. The detail is in the license. That's the license: (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:34:39 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:37:18 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 14:03:14 |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 00:39:27 @LaurentB45 @wa__em @dansup I believe the difference is Pixelfed the software/medium, and Pixelfed the server/website. The license shown is for the software itself. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 14:48:29 @wa__em @dansup And if you want this app to be secure that doesn't work on trust for security reasons. Then there is only GPLv3 and AGPL. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:33:35 @dansup (Medien: 3) |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:36:12 And, for those wondering about this, we need to ensure that @dansup (who seems well-meaning but IS human and fallible and will have bills to pay, maybe unexpected big bills one day) isn't tempted by increasing piles of VC cash by ensuring he's not worried about money. By giving him some of our own. It's an investment in keeping VCs away! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:10:35 @kitten_tech @dansup this is why I'll be in on the ks |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:37:29 @dansup thank you, Daniel. You're doing the right thing! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:47:54 @dansup ooh, 'Pixelfed Foundation'? |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:52:29 @dansup Registered! Thanks. |
Föderation · Sa 18.01.2025 12:56:02 @dansup@mastodon.social |
Föderation DE Sa 18.01.2025 12:56:53 @dansup Love your idealism, keep it up 💪 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:59:20 @dansup I saw that disturbing broad loops license where users don't own the content. What's that about? |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 12:59:52 @dansup I bet their brains broke, whenever I meet with some idiot who thinks everything is for sale I can't help but pity them. They are so poor they only have money and think that is and will be enough. Poor sad bastards. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:07:24 Good human. But remember that you have a right to a decent living* out of this - don't martyr yourself unnecessarily. And the ability to provide for yourself from this will encourage others to do more of the same: some carrot involved. (*: housing security, food security, resilience against financial drought, good health care, the ability to both have and enjoy leisure time, provision for comfort in old age, charitable giving as you see fit. Obviously, all else is frippery and non-essential.) |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:11:38 "We aim to be the first Fediverse app with a billion people" I'm supportive of the effort, but this is a bit cringe. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:17:03 Why? Do you have anything against growing big? I mean I like my own server to be small, but have nothing against all servers combined being big. Or alternatively, do you just refuse to believe in the possibility? I'm sure every tech product that reached a billion total users (not monthly, but in total) started out as a nice idea, until suddenly circumstances allowed it to grow huge. Facebook and Twitter are the obvious examples. |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 11:52:37 @frog_reborn I'm extremely happy about pixelfed getting traction at the moment, but I also find this goal a bit strange, not sure whether this is a careful calculation about what wording works on kickstarter, but I wonder whether it's the best choice given the ethos of many people here who might support pixelfed |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:14:50 @dansup I seem to be blocked from contributing due to my location, but i’m with you! 🙂 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:26:10 @dansup I can't contribute financially, but I'm a full-stack web developer with experience in both frontend and backend, along with other programming languages. I also have an eye for design. If you ever need an enthusiastic developer who truly admires what you're building, feel free to reach out! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:38:04 @dansup |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:39:24 @dansup You should send them a link to the kickstarter. If they want to help fund you, they can do it like everyone else. |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 06:54:52 very good point! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:40:17 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:45:32 @dansup that sounds familiar. Don't get business cards with "I'm CEO, b*tch." on them, though. If you decide to go with a German eG, eV (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(Germany) ), Swiss or European equivalent (had a French name, I think) and need people to sign the founding contract, I'd be happy and honored to join. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:45:44 @dansup imagine you took the offers "to chat" just to troll them lol |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 13:58:21 @dansup Absolutely. Just deleted my IG so let's do this! |
Föderation DE Sa 18.01.2025 14:06:57 @dansup What ever your kickstarter is offering, I‘m in. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 14:12:46 @dansup 👍 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 14:38:06 @dansup @niklaskorz how about sponsors? Im willing to run some servers but failed to install dependencies on debian. one wants php 8.3 while debian 12 comes with 8.2. |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 16:04:12 @afink @dansup @niklaskorz Add the Sury PHP repo which has both. https://packages.sury.org/php/ |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 14:51:39 @dansup |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 14:54:13 @dansup 100% yes! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:00:17 @dansup (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:00:48 @dansup this is really exciting!!! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:07:47 @dansup Fantastic! I’ve just logged into Kickstarter for the first time in a long, long while and followed your effort. Looking forward to being part of the launch! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:18:15 |
Föderation DE Sa 18.01.2025 15:39:49 @dansup you could fork, sell pixelfed and only develop the new fork if the price is right. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:43:04 @dansup You got it!! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:44:56 @dansup Just tell the VC's that at this time you're only accepting non-equity investments at a negative rate of return. ;) |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:51:57 @dansup I'm afraid I can't support you until you fix the Loops ToS. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:05:06 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 15:56:47 @dansup you are truly a rare breed. Will definitely be donating once it opens. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 16:01:52 @dansup I am in too :) |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 16:24:30 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 16:51:30 @richardgrant @dansup @jerry thank you! 😊 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 17:38:55 @richardgrant @RSX9983 @dansup @jerry Subscribed! Let's build a better social web ✊🏼 |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 14:22:00 @RSX9983 @dansup and alternative ways to support are listed here: https://pixelfed.org/support-our-project |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 16:52:40 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 16:55:04 @dansup Totally up to you and I can understand if you'd rather not, but it'd be hilarious if you published their identities and pitches. Might mske them think twice about approaching projects this way in the future. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 16:56:31 @dansup must be hard to think of incentives to offer when your code and platform and all its features are free already. I'll Kickstart some merch if you do that, though. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 16:59:38 @dansup totally. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 17:04:43 @dansup I hope you're extremely proud of the work you've done but I wonder if you can address the disconnect between the Loops TOS and the philosophy you're describing here. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:32:43 @Gustodon @dansup Can you give me the gist of your concern? I really want to be 100% on board with this loops pixelfed project as a FOSS ethical replacement for instagram. I'm thinking whatever might be necessary to make it work like that will take lots of eyes on these details and I think the developer @dansup has his heart in the right place and will care if there are details he might want to reconsider, especially during these critical initial conditions |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:12:56 @resl I want that, too. I was concerned about the language regarding ownership and distribution but I've just been told that that particular TOS is being reworked from a time-saving boilerplate. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:46:59 @Gustodon |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:40:19 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:14:16 @nextgraph Thank you. I really appreciate the additional information. |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 04:49:37 @nextgraph @Gustodon @dansup |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 10:38:17 @pteryx @Gustodon @dansup i see you are a wise person. i am sure you would be more than welcome to join his efforts and help him with handling some tasks, as he might be overwhelmed in the process of suddenly scaling up, due to very recent conjunction of events, namely Meta allegiance to Trump/Musk, ban of TikTok, and him being almost ready with 2 wonderful apps PixelFed and Loops, developed in the course of the last 7 years, all alone. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 17:42:03 @dansup |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 17:46:10 @dansup "bro", find yourself some humility. "Chats" with VCs are a dime a dozen, and you literally compared yourself to Jobs earlier today. I hope you're going to bring on some actual people with actual ethics to make that ethical development thing happen... Take it down a notch. The excessive self-promotion and ego is going to be your downfall. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:35:17 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:06:31 @dansup Question: why a Kickstarter and not something like OpenCollective, which would provide a means for ongoing funding? |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:08:34 @dansup Thank you for sticking to your guns. Keep trudging on, the community has your back. - A current Instagram user actively seeking an alternative. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:13:19 @dansup Yeah but u sitll need resources and HQ to operate. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:05:58 @matidmgdef @dansup VCs would just take over and shut down or sell the project. |
Föderation · Sa 18.01.2025 20:09:30 @matidmgdef@mastodon.social @dansup@mastodon.social The main problem with VCs is that they will want to claw the money they invested back. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:22:50 @dansup Thank you for your commitment! I'm in! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:24:46 @dansup we are with you! 💪🏻 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:27:14 @dansup You rock! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:27:16 Consider a 501(c)(3)? (I know it's probably a pain.) [Edit: yes, royal PITA. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/financial-theory/11/how-to-form-nonprofit-company.asp ] |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:25:58 @tarheel He's in Canada, 501-whatevers are only a thing in USA. There are equivalents though. The overhead of creating and running a non profit org would need more hands on deck than single developer guy. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:36:06 @dansup so long as funding is done right. Going with a for profit model I don’t see longevity |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:40:47 @64bithero |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 18:39:16 @dansup Hell yeah! Count me in! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:36:53 @dansup Go...Go...GO!!! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 19:40:32 @dansup |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 20:09:07 But you're passing up the chance to earn billions, perchance, and be as insatiable as muskkk or suckerberg! 😄 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 20:14:03 @dansup |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 20:25:36 @dansup That’s a relief. Good human. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 20:29:31 @dansup That's the spirit! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:01:12 @dansup it’s great to see an Edmontonian doing big things. I can't wait to fund it. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:14:13 @dansup death to VC! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:15:13 @dansup What an excellent opportunity to send out F-ing Birds replies and coffee cups. (Medien: 1) |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:36:10 @dansup is there a way you're able to create a legal CIC (community interest company) or a cooperative entity to allow community investment and in a way community ownership |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:38:42 Way to go! Hero! |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:39:46 @dansup this is a super decision. 🙏 Follow Mastodon's trajectory and opportunity to do one better, where a collective commons helps share the burdens as well as the joys. With community to delegate the chores, and help foster and guarantee pixelfed and loop's long-term sustainably. Increase the bus factor, before you burn out. A single person is not invincible, a united movement might be. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:48:42 @dansup any plan to shift to a No Profit like Mastodon? |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:50:33 @dansup stay true comrade 💪👏✊ |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 21:50:46 @dansup would you be interested in structuring it as a worker and community cooperative so its literally owned by the maintainers and users? |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 22:10:44 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 22:25:38 @dansup 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 22:29:53 If funded, can you tell us who will own the assets to pixelfed and loops? Who will make day to day decisions about policy and development? |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 22:29:53 @dansup I hope you double your corporate salary. You’re worth it. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 22:34:02 @dansup @codinghorror maybe you've already seen this, but if I think this might interest you. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 22:42:32 Would be nice to name and shame the jerks that want to enshittify. |
Föderation EN Sa 18.01.2025 23:33:05 |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 00:28:08 @dansup Of course, I'm in. |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 01:31:29 @dansup ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 03:23:21 @dansup 100%!! Keep up the excellent work 👍 |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 04:54:40 @dansup I feel that part of the money should be used for Personal Protection... |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 06:28:22 @dansup yes! |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 08:38:36 @dansup a non-profit organization seems like a great next step |
Föderation · So 19.01.2025 09:09:51 @Serge Matveenko ♻️☮️Ⓐ give away your work in others hands, to save it from the own evil is a big step for humans. |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 09:10:19 @dansup have you considered making the organisation a co-operative? Users and contributors could become a member for a $/€ and have say in how it's run and the community then owns it. You also have the ability to raise share capital from members (which you can limit so no one has too much stake) to fund the org/project, but every member still only gets one vote, so no one can wield more power over what the project does. You can also put limits on how much share capital can be withdrawn at once, so no one can pull the rug out from under the project either. Just a thought |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 11:00:50 @dansup 100% with you (and signed up to see what is happening re Kickstarter - Pixelfed & Loops: Authentic Sharing, Reimagined). |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 11:43:06 @dansup this is the way |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 13:26:18 @dansup wouldn't a Patreon or such make more sense long-term tho? Either way, I'm in 😅 |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 14:17:02 @dansup Small grammar mistake on Kickstarter: "Beautiful sharing platforms that puts you first." Either single "platform" or verb in plural "put". I think it's the first time I read there's a "Pixelfed Foundation". I thought it was mostly just you. And the contact email is a dot com address, instead of using the existing .org domain? I'm curious about Pixelfed's path forward! Looking forward to it. |
Föderation EN So 19.01.2025 23:41:58 @dansup I wonder how many of those VC‘s invest into that opportunity now when then can… ? #sozialstattasozial |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 01:14:44 @dansup based |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 03:35:26 @dansup the creator of VLC did the same thing. |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 09:33:47 @dansup I agree with this but would also look at B Corporations and related concepts too |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 09:59:02 @codinghorror @dansup what do you think being a B Corporation would change? |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 10:28:05 @codinghorror |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 10:33:14 |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 13:09:07 @dansup any thoughts of photo backup service also? |
Föderation EN Mo 20.01.2025 22:25:13 |
Föderation FR Mo 20.01.2025 22:31:50 @dansup ❤️❤️❤️ |
Föderation EN Di 21.01.2025 09:49:29 @dansup |
Föderation EN Do 23.01.2025 08:10:15 @dansup I wonder if those VCs contributed to the kickstarter... lol no, I don't wonder. |
Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 05:02:45 @dansup THANK YOU!!!! |
Föderation EN Sa 25.01.2025 05:28:03 @dansup im contributing something paid day the 3rd. Thanks again! |
Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 00:14:44 @dansup tell them to donate to the kickstarter xD |
Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 00:20:09 @dansup Amen man. Good on you! |
Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 00:20:50 @dansup I’m a graphic designer lmk if you need something! |
Föderation EN Di 28.01.2025 01:47:47 @dansup This is what integrity looks like if anyone need to know! Keep going, Daniel. 🔥✊ |
Föderation EN Di 04.02.2025 12:30:22 @dansup |
Föderation EN Fr 07.02.2025 05:30:34 @dansup huge fan of Pixelfed and Loops! Thank you for what you do! |
Föderation EN Fr 07.02.2025 12:50:33 |
Föderation EN Fr 07.02.2025 12:51:04 @m3t00 that my website |
Föderation EN Mo 10.02.2025 15:14:51 @dansup thank you for all the time an effort. People who don't think about profit all the time have become rare. |
Föderation EN Fr 28.02.2025 09:52:27 @dansup 💯 |
Föderation EN Fr 28.02.2025 12:06:18 @dansup we are all with you |