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Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 00:47:20

Which of these is the biggest user experience issue with the Fediverse?

28% Picking a server
19% Finding your friends
8% Following a remote actor
45% Seeing the whole conversation

1094 Stimmen, bis Di 11.03.2025 00:47:20

Jessamyn

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 00:50:54

@evan I'm not totally sure I know what "remote actor" means in this context. After Googling, I'm guessing it has to do with users on other servers and for me the hardest part of Fedi stuff (which for me, so far, is Mastodon) is following a link someone gave me to a Masto post but then having to somehow copy that link into an open Masto tab f I want to reply to them. So it's not "seeing" it, it's the UX of it when I'm coming from somewhere else, and I'm nearly exclusively on desktop.

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 00:51:44

@jessamyn a person on another server. "Actor" is the formal term in ActivityPub.

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 18:22:37

@jessamyn I opted for technical correctness instead of understandability and I regret the error.

Space Catitude 🚀

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 00:55:09

@evan
Almost went with choosing a server, but I think the random invisibility of comments in threads causes more ongoing trouble. So I settled on that.

neville park

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 00:59:20

@evan techbros

James M.

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 01:03:04

@evan tough choice! I picked "choose a server" because that's the first barrier a new user faces, and I imagine (but don't know) we lose a lot of people at that point. Unless everyone just defaults to mastodon.social, but that brings other problems.

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 02:31:04

@jackwilliambell I agree! You should be able to filter different types of input into different feeds, or remove them altogether. A lot of people use the "poll" hashtag to make this easier.

cs

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 01:08:24

@evan I didn’t pick “picking a server” because that was easy for me. Our server was the only server I knew of at the time, seven years ago or so. I would say “finding your friends“ but that’s only because no one I know in real life is here. For new users however I can see that picking a server is a little bit difficult.

NextGraph

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 01:17:42

@evan all of the above

My camera shoots fascists

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 01:21:37

@evan

For me, I think it is finding people and search in general. But I put picking a server because that's the biggest barrier to entry and retention of new users. Once they're signed up, I think search becomes the next biggest barrier for most people.

I'll mention again that two years ago I used someone's little app (not recalling the name at the moment) that scraped my Twitter follows' bios for fedi usernames and turned it into a CSV that I could import to Mastodon, so I had an immediately familiar large group of people to follow. I believe that ended with Twitter lockdown its API.

Diane

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 01:29:14

@evan

You're missing people not realizing it's their responsibility to mute and unfollow people they're not interested in instead of complaining to them about their posts.

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 02:33:02

@alienghic I think that's most often a problem when people are viewing the "Fediverse feed" rather than their home feed.

Diane

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 02:42:44

@evan

As far as I can tell it's a thing that happens to the higher follow count users.

The high follower count will say something that some random gets mad about and yells at the high follower count person for posting

Matt blaze frequently complains about this happening.

Evacide has also mentioned being afraid about talking about her non-tech personal interests because of people complaining about unexpected posts

And there are regular complaints for black people getting harassed for talking about their personal experiences.

I have a hunch that the old twitters algorithm did sometimes succeed at a tagging posts with a topic and then hiding them from people who weren't interested in that topic.

I think some users don't fully realize they need to take responsibility for curating their feed, and that it's not the people they're following's job to entertain them.

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 02:55:32

Guns, alcohol

Stephen Michael Kellat

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 01:39:31

@evan The one time I gave my digital literacy students homework to sign up for fediverse accounts had them all stumbling pretty hard at picking a server followed by finding people to follow.

Steve Wart

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 01:40:07

@evan wow yeah all of the above

AI6YR Ben

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 02:35:27

@evan Easy discovery of (active) people folks would like to follow, IMHO.

Nazo

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 02:35:35

@evan I really don't understand why people make such a big deal about picking a server. While the e-mail metaphor doesn't always hold up 100%, this is one of the parts of Fediverse access where it kind of does. It really doesn't matter a whole lot what server you pick. (I won't say it doesn't matter at all, but it really isn't the big deal people seem to make of it.) Whichever you pick, unless it has crazy blocklists, you're going to have access to the majority of the Fediverse.

Extinction Studies

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 03:33:56

@evan

"Finding your friends" presumes that people follow or want to follow actual friends online. None of my IRL friends are on Mastodon, and few IRL acquaintances are active in common social media to me.

MisterMoo

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 04:23:30

@evan I posted something on Pixelfed and realized it’s invisible to most of the fediverse, no matter what hashtags I use, unless it breaks containment by being boosted by a user with lots of followers. This is hugely disappointing as it means there effectively is an algorithm on the fediverse, and it’s controlled by the most popular accounts.

sortius

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 04:55:02

@evan incessant polls

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 05:12:06

@sortius a lot of polls are tagged with the "poll" hashtag, so you should be able to filter them out.

sortius

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 05:12:27

@evan yours is literally the first I've seen

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 16:05:59

@sortius welcome to the Fediverse!

loganer

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 04:55:34

@evan depends on who the user is.

newly arriving -> Picking a server.
acquainted but not fluent -> Finding friends.
others -> following a remote actor.

cherpumple 🥧🍰

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 05:06:35

@evan I should never EVER have to follow a link to another server to do anything. If the system can figure out what link to show me, it should just get the content from there and show it to me on the page I'm already looking at.

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 05:11:05

@cherpumple so say we all

⊢≪ Noctilua ≫⊣

Föderation UK Mo 10.03.2025 05:35:27

@evan

Platform interoperability and consistency is mine main issue.

Fediverse promises seamless connection between different federated platforms. While this holds true for instances of the same platform, consistency between different implementations can be flawed.

Examples are, Mastodon and Pleroma sometimes experience anomaly, where hashtags made on Pleroma federate as formatted link to Mastodon, not working as expected.
Misskey (at least Sharkey) sometimes federate user handlers weirdly, also making them formatted links on Mastodon side.
Mbin and Lemmy interoperability with Mastodon and Misskey also flawed when federating a post of link type from former two. What looks like a post with one attached image, turns into imageless post with only direct link to image on Masodon / Misskey side.

This issue breaks it the most for me. Those in the poll, some of them I don’t find real or fixable. The seeing full convo one is probably one of the issues that should be addressed, but understanding how the network works, I learned to open original post to seek for full context. This is fine by my standarts.

Christiano Anderson

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 07:52:10

@evan One major annoyance is following or replying users from different servers, which can also be a difficult for newcomers to understand, giving the impression that interacting on the platform is complex.

Martin

Föderation DE Mo 10.03.2025 08:31:08

@evan
I would say 'picking a server'.
But while I had to think about it, it wasn't an issue.

I'm happy here.

Phoenix Paulina Schmid

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 13:09:31

@evan I know from my own experience that finding a server is a major problem.

I think that the Fediscovery project from the @Mastodon team can help with the discovery and search problem.

Light

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 13:18:30

@evan Picking a server that accepts you and isn't blocked by and doesn't block instances that you want to interact with.

Steffen Voß

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 16:12:03

@evan I was already on identica and I liked the idea of it. So when Mastodon came around, I wanted to try it. But I didn't know what would make a good server for me. I finally just chose a medium sized German server, hoping I could move my account if that was the wrong one.

medium rare bird

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 16:44:43

@evan posts not migrating when you migrate servers

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 18:24:10

@migratory really? Because there's no other social network where that happens, either.

medium rare bird

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 18:46:08

@evan I don't believe any other social networks have account migration at all. but it being so incomplete on fedi certainly undermines the way fedi *should* be able to let people own their identity, which is one of its main value proposition vs. centralized social media

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 18:54:54

@migratory you're correct; no other social network on the planet gives you the account portability that you get with the Fediverse. I find it hard to believe that this extremely rare process that people only do once or twice in their Fediverse lifetime, and that we already do better than any other social network and most other communications protocols, is the biggest UX problem.

medium rare bird

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 18:59:00

@evan for new users, it doesn't matter at all. for users who have invested a lot in the platform it certainly does. and for users seriously considering the platform, it's important to be able to take claims like "your data is your own" or "you can migrate servers" at face value rather than with gaping caveats

Evan Prodromou

Föderation EN Mo 10.03.2025 21:34:12

@migratory The way you "own your own data" is to run your own server or pay for a service.